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[battyvamp.livejournal.com]

I am so sorry to bother again....*hangs her head*

But I just thought of a couple of questions....

1,) How would you define Multiplicity

2,) What is it like to be Multiple?

3,) Do most or all systems have an ISH?

Thank you.

BV

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[redrainstorm.livejournal.com]

1,) How would you define Multiplicity
More then one person sharing a body, which doesn't always stem from abuse!

2,) What is it like to be Multiple?
What's it like to be singleton? I'm not sure how to answer. It's like sharing a body with a lot of people! Imagine being in a room / house with a lot of people. The front would be like a control room where only so many people are there at a time, with the rest doing their own thing.

3,) Do most or all systems have an ISH?
I would think every system has someone that helps out. But, we have an ISH!

Cool, I like answering questions. :)
Jayden

[kasiya-system.livejournal.com]

We have a FAQ on our little site, if you'd like to check it out.
http://kasiya.homestead.com/faq.html

(frozen)

[zaecus.livejournal.com]

1,) How would you define Multiplicity

Multiple inteelects with one physicality. (Just to use big words.)

2,) What is it like to be Multiple?

Never being alone. Ever.

3,) Do most or all systems have an ISH?

What the heck is that?

(frozen)

[redrainstorm.livejournal.com]

inner self helper

I'm in an odd mood, and somewhat rushed, so I might return to clarify this.

[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

1,) How would you define Multiplicity

Simplified: The state of being in a body with more than one person.

I maintain no monopoly on the definition of person, or what the center of a self is. There is I, and there is not I, not I happens to also be in the body with me.

2,) What is it like to be Multiple?

There is I, there is she.

We are a team, by choice. We can choose cooperate, or not, and that can have drastic effects on our situation. We have come to the conclusion it's best if we cooperate on a certain level. So, for us, it's like having certain obligations that we can't always explain to others.

We've found that time management can be difficult, because we have varied time intensive interests. So for us, it's like overloading your schedule at college.

We've found that our taste in friends are different, so for us, it can be like having that really close friend or significant other, with the sometimes annoying friends.

Above all, for us, it's like sharing a body, with the others who are specifically in our system, with all the quirks it entails because of who we are as individuals.

So, I guess, above all, it's like being ourselves, and is a highly individual experience.

3,) Do most or all systems have an ISH?

*shrugs* The roles paradigm fucked us up big time in the past. I borrowed a term, for communication with DID-types, and they took the term to mean protector, and immediate proceeded to force me into a mold that was not only uncomfortable, but harmful to the system as a group.

We help ourselves, individually, and as friends. We can be nurturing, selfish, violent, sexual, timid, and outspoken individuals on our own, without each other's assistance.

Incidentally, if the "ISH" is truly a different person, then his or her qualifying feature is not helping the self, but helping others. This makes the term something of a misnomer.

--Me

[shatterstorm.livejournal.com]

1 - Many people, one body.
2 - Community.
3 - Nope. Just people. In our group, several of us would fit the definition. But we think that believing people are their roles is crap - these are people you're talking about. Remember your second grade teacher? Did you know that they're a person with a life, interests, sexual kinks, a sense of humor, and everything else you'd expect to find in a person? We are too.

[elenbarathi.livejournal.com]

1. More than one person sharing the same body.

2. It's a lot like sharing a studio apartment, only way more so. Except that nobody has to wait to use the bathroom.

3. We don't *do* MPD/DID shrink-based jargon. There's three of us; we help one another and ourselves as best we can; we are real people, not role-specific "alters".

[gryphons.livejournal.com]

1,) How would you define Multiplicity?

Lots of souls that share their expression in this realm through the same physical shell.

2,) What is it like to be Multiple?
like living in a very big busy family.. with a lot going on.. and only one car(the body) to drive..

3,) Do most or all systems have an ISH?

We don't like that term.. cause we don't agree that all of us are splits/fragments/.. whatever. We have people who try to help both the others internally, and people outside..

[saturniakitty.livejournal.com]

1. More than one person sharing a body.
2. It's like having a family you CAN'T GET AWAY FROM AHHH ^^;;
3. I don't really understand what an ISH is - I haven't heard the term before. Is it someone who's only purpose is to help out?

[zaecus.livejournal.com]

It, apparently, stands for "inner self helper" and means an advisor, willing to help anyone that asks about the system, inside or outside.

Without further input from somewhere closer to the source, that's all I can offer. I just learned this much today.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

t's sort of a guardian-angel type. Allison apparently came across some of them in his practice -- people who would say they came from outside the group and were not the result of a split (these were all abuse/splitting groups). They seemed to guide and direct the group. They often knew the names, ages and traits of everyone, or said they did. They often presented with a kind of biblical or new age style, saying "thee" and so on, that they were a 5000-year-old angel or something and hinting at infinite cosmic truths that they might someday let humanity in on ... oh, you know. Allison concluded that ISHs were "higher-level states of consciousness" whose purpose was to make sure the group survived until the ultimate goal of integration was reached. He got the term "inner self-helper" from his work as a minister, where Christ is spoken of that way, as "the Christ in me" or "the God in me", one's own personal divine nature. (If there is such a thing.)

We've had ^Gabriel mistaken for an ISH because of his name and because he's always making sure we're on time and things like that. We've met a few ISH types from other people's systems and they are usually more pragmatic, less "mystical" than Allison describes (not surprising) Also shy, don't come out that much.

[ghostwalker.livejournal.com]

One definition for it is here (http://www.dissociation.com/index/definition/index.html#ish)

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Don't hang your head. Questions are nothing to be ashamed of.

1. See elenbarathi, shatterstorm, spookshow_girl, redrainstorm

2. This will depend on the group; besides the above answers, you'll hear "having a lot of roommates," "like an extended family", "working together, like a small business", etc. To us, because we're a gateway system, a lot of it has to do with place (our homeworld), and cultural identification. So we experience it as being part of and communicating with a number of communities, guilds, businesses and so on in-system.

3. No.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

http://www.livejournal.com/community/multiplicity/278315.html?thread=3370539#t3370539

has been frozen by request.

[zaecus.livejournal.com]

Seeing it frozen was fine by me.

This, however, is not.

I want a reason.

No, I want a name, but I'll live with a reason.

For clarity, that would mean "reason good enough to get it frozen simply by requesting it when, apparently, it was the request that caused you to freeze it and not your own judgement to do so in the first place."

[futarinohimitsu.livejournal.com]

1) Multiple means more than one. Multiplicity is more than one person inside a body here.

2) What is it like to dormshare?

3) I think that very few have. From what I have read here, we do not have an ISH. It would seem to be unfair to label anyone inside as such anyway.

[jynxdemon.livejournal.com]

1. one body multiple "Me" "Myself" "I" "He" "She" and "It"s
2. I don't remember what it's like not to be a multiple, so there's very little basis for comparison, It's like having a house full of people up there some are in the fore front, where you deal with the rest of the world, and some are off in their own favorite or not sofavorite places doing whatever they do, some are aware that time has passed since their beginning and some remain caught up in memories... sometimes you remember things that your body has done and sometimes you don't, sometimes they're not your memories to have.
3. I hadn't heard of ISH before this but if you had to think of things that way we have a mother personality, Pascha, who helps watch over my child personalities but has very little to do with the rest of my system and there's another who sort of watches the fore front and when i get badly hurt to the point where it really takes notice it takes over and can be amazingly cruel, but it's a defensive creature... I don't think either of those really count though...

[battyvamp.livejournal.com]

I am so sorry...I didn't mean for an argument and hard feelings.... I was just familliar with crys and her having an ISH, and was just curious if other's have one....

I did not mean for this to happen.....please if a moderator sees this delete it or something....

:~(

[kasiya-system.livejournal.com]

It's not your fault. :(

[zaecus.livejournal.com]

Not your fault at all.

In fact, I hope it's not deleted, request notwithstanding, because doing so will delete quite a bit of very good explanation of exactly what an ISH is and what it means to various people.

[pleiades-rising.livejournal.com]

Oh, lotsa arguing going on in this thread... ah well, here are my answers.

1. A bunch of people living in one body, with all the advantages and disadvantages that any other group of people would have.

2. It's like sharing a dorm. A REALLY large dorm.

3. I think everyone in our system is an inner self helper. We all help each other out, inside and outside (well, save for a few rude exceptions)

[shandra.livejournal.com]

1. More than one person in a body

2. I wish I had a pithy explanation, but I don't. Hopefully other people have. :)

3. We don't have anyone in that role, but we are generally helpful to each other. I have 'protector' qualities, as roles go, but am also just a person with a lot of facets too. :)

[ghostwalker.livejournal.com]

[changelyng14.livejournal.com]

1,) How would you define Multiplicity

-the subject of many-minds/entities/people to one-body

2,) What is it like to be Multiple?

-It means I'll never, and always, be alone, and I'll never be seen.
-I'll share in the blame and the fate of others, and always find myself apologizing for their actions.
-I'll never have to deal with any situation I don't want to, or that is over my head, and I can choose to finish a day on a moments notice whether the day is done with we/me or not. headaches, and sickness are optional for me.
-While my bad days will be fewer then someone else's, by the time another has experienced enough days to be 40, I will likely be 80. which makes it odvious to me that all my days are precious.
-I may always feel that to live in hiding is the easier road, and perhaps I'll aquire the taste enough to try it someday.

3,) Do most or all systems have an ISH?

we have an ishy-like being. (we fumbled into Allisons writings and know they are some sort of external entity that has glued to our existance to ready us for some next life) 'The Spirit' is possibly our most interesting member, and we don't have telepathic-like communication with him nor his tribe. We don't interact with him very often but he's given instructions on how to summon him should we need anything. we have a mini-bio at the top of our journal if you care that much about what he's like. he has memories of being some sort of creature that walked on four's and who's hind leg-knees folded into his chest sometimes.
we think he's got some native-american spirit qualities about him. his train of thought is hard to follow and its hard to understand how his thoughts lead to the conclusions he makes. His normal speech is very interesting, if we understand what hes doing correctly, he uses the mouth to create an energy-charged noise, and binds mental images to them. (the result sounds alot like native american chanting/singing, or something). he thinks furniture is overrated. he visually sees energies that pass about the room. he never visits, all we know is he 'walks the other side' but we dont know what that means.

but no, very few, if any, systems are aware of having an "ish" as Allison defines them. not all systems have "OP"'s either.

Tia of the Changelyng