Mooooooore skeptism
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Please bear with me. My boy, Max, posted here a while ago, in regards to me, and he's trying to push me more into having conversations with others about my own doubts with multiplicity.
When I was young, I began studying other religions, and I really became interested in spirituallity. Along the way, I discovered two others living within. Really, this is just background information, so no know thinks I'm trying to troll or rag on the community. I've been aware of my own multiplicity for a number of years. I also see my multiplicity as a means to my own personal spirituallity. That is, I don't have a set religion, but I see the presence of and communication with my system as being a self-enlightening, holy experience.
I see this huge resurgance of multiples on the internet, and it makes me skeptical. NOT, because of the fact that their multiples. I wouldn't call someone out on being a "fake". But, the way some of these systems carry on, it makes me wonder how they can reasonably function.
I'm going to point the finger at soulbonding, because it seems to be the means of multiplicity that houses the greatest number of loonies. I can accept, per se, that another has entered your system, and is a bad influence, and perhaps is forcing your body and system down a bad path. I can not, however, accept that this entity causing harm is, say, Sephiroth from the Final Fantasy games. That, is insane. Final Fantasy is fiction. It may very well be an entity that projects images OF Sephiroth into your mind, but part of gaining some feasible aspect of functional control over yourselves, is seeing through the bullshit.
I have trouble with people who play INTO that bullshit, by extension. Not only do they seem to be the loudest group of loons, but they're also impossible to have a reasonable discussion with. Everything boils down to "it's different for everyone", which is great for upholding any kind of deluded fantasy that you might have, but really, isn't productive for conversation.
Especially...if you're attempting to learn something, or see if they have a reason to act the way that they do.
Are there any rational, sane soulbonds, here? If so, do they honestly believe that they're fictional characters? This seems to be the most levelheaded community about plurality on LJ that we can find, so I figure it would be the best place to start.
When I was young, I began studying other religions, and I really became interested in spirituallity. Along the way, I discovered two others living within. Really, this is just background information, so no know thinks I'm trying to troll or rag on the community. I've been aware of my own multiplicity for a number of years. I also see my multiplicity as a means to my own personal spirituallity. That is, I don't have a set religion, but I see the presence of and communication with my system as being a self-enlightening, holy experience.
I see this huge resurgance of multiples on the internet, and it makes me skeptical. NOT, because of the fact that their multiples. I wouldn't call someone out on being a "fake". But, the way some of these systems carry on, it makes me wonder how they can reasonably function.
I'm going to point the finger at soulbonding, because it seems to be the means of multiplicity that houses the greatest number of loonies. I can accept, per se, that another has entered your system, and is a bad influence, and perhaps is forcing your body and system down a bad path. I can not, however, accept that this entity causing harm is, say, Sephiroth from the Final Fantasy games. That, is insane. Final Fantasy is fiction. It may very well be an entity that projects images OF Sephiroth into your mind, but part of gaining some feasible aspect of functional control over yourselves, is seeing through the bullshit.
I have trouble with people who play INTO that bullshit, by extension. Not only do they seem to be the loudest group of loons, but they're also impossible to have a reasonable discussion with. Everything boils down to "it's different for everyone", which is great for upholding any kind of deluded fantasy that you might have, but really, isn't productive for conversation.
Especially...if you're attempting to learn something, or see if they have a reason to act the way that they do.
Are there any rational, sane soulbonds, here? If so, do they honestly believe that they're fictional characters? This seems to be the most levelheaded community about plurality on LJ that we can find, so I figure it would be the best place to start.
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Date: 2005-08-10 02:58 pm (UTC)Just because you don't believe in something, doesn't mean its crazy that other people do believe in it. And you and NO fucking right to tell someone that what they believe isn't real or true. If you have even one shred of intelligence, you'd know that being a multiple comm, and given the fact that a lot of people will tie multiplicity in with SBing, that there would be people here who do believe. So why, in Gods name, would you come in here and start you BS about how you don't buy into some of the stuff the people here believe?
You know what that says to me? That says you have no respect for other people. That says you have nothing better to do with your time than to harass people and bash their personal beliefs. And people like you make me sick.
Perhaps to you. I personally believe it exists somewhere, and so do a lot of other people. So if this whole thing about infinite universes and all the "fictional" things from our world, really being out there somewhere is true, then whos to say someone couldn't have a SB of a fictional character?
I suppose theres a chance they could all be inner voices that take on the personalities of these characters, but who the hell gives a damn? If they're happy and we're happy, believing they are who they claim to be, then whats the problem? Even I'm not a perfect believing, despite having a SB that does claim to be a "fictional" character. Personally, I don't really believe theres a such thing as "fictional" but that doesn't mean I don't doubt.
Every day, I get those thoughts about whether its real. Are outsourced SBs really who they claim to be? Is SBing real at all? Sure theres that side of me that says its all bullshit, all SBers are just fooling themselves, including me. But I shove that side away and I continue to have as much faith as I can. If a SB suddenly shows up with me and swears to me they're Mickey Mouse or something, I will give them the benefit of a doubt until it is proven otherwise. And since no one can even prove SBs exist or don't exist, proving one is who they say they are is impossible. So I continue to believe them.
And actually, this post was a hell of a lot nicer than I had wanted it to be. I have no qualms about a mod getting pissed at me here, I don't post here. I just happened to check the comm last night, saw this stupid ass post, and decided to be a bitch. Because being a bitch is my best quality. And because so many of the people who left comments seemed to be trying their best to be as polite as they could. Well I say fuck that. I say if someone steps on you, stomp on them.
Have a lovely day.
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Date: 2005-08-10 10:40 pm (UTC)Yeah. I know you weren't writing to me, but being my judgemental self, I contributed to the problem...so I'm claiming my section of it.
I think, regardless of the chaos that surrounds me, my mind really wants a nice, tidy little explanation for things, neatly labeled boxes to put on neatly labeled shelves to store such ideas within. And life, much as I'd want it to be different, is not like that. It frustrates a large part of me.
Also, to be honest, much of my fiction--and I hope, some day, publishable fiction--centers around a character I would swear--and think, truthfully so--that I created, start to finish. Yet one night, several years back, my partner spent some several hours talking with her, when she took over the body. Fictional character. Walking around interacting with the world. Still can't cope with that.
And maybe that's the real reason I want to bundle everything up and dismiss it as crazy talk. Because I will go until the day I die not calling that character a 'soulbond'...but she has manifested, or fronted, or whatever the term is, and that gives her some weight, some reality. And I just don't want to deal with that.
So...for whatever that's worth...there it is. And I apologize for my part of the "stepping on".