New community.

[tajuujinkaku.livejournal.com]

Just wanted to let everyone know that I've made a community- everydaydid. It's a bit different, but I'm hoping it will appeal to some people. Check out the user info and join it you're interested! Tell your friends! Tell your neighbors! :]

(cross-posted)

Comments

[foreverwish.livejournal.com]

I don't know if that community is what our system needs, but I think that it can help others here, so thank you for posting that!

Darwin
Fen Group

[lb-lee.livejournal.com]

Darwin, the kids like your icon.

--Writer

[tajuujinkaku.livejournal.com]

It won't be for everyone, but I hope it can compliment this and other communities! Thanks for the support. :]

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

I guess... I'm kind of not understanding the point of the community. Basically, as I'm understanding it, some people feel so uncomfortable with the idea of otherkin/fictives/muses/similar because they can't relate to those experiences that they feel there has to be a separate community where discussion of those things isn't allowed? I mean... a lot of stuff that's posted here is stuff that I can't relate to, or that not everyone in my system can (and it's not necessarily the stuff that other people might assume: things like trouble dealing with past experiences, fears that other system members may be "bad," etc, aren't things that are alien to us), but the fact of having a large community is that a lot of people are going to be discussing experiences that you don't feel are like yours in any way or that you can't relate to. Heck, I've had this feeling in some of the "weird stuff" communities I've been too-- the "this is just not part of my experience of this in any way, shape or form" thing. A lot of otherkin communities place big emphasis on remembering past lives, for instance. That's not an experience I've ever had, so I can't exactly participate much in any discussions where it comes up, or be very helpful when people ask questions about it, other than to say that I don't think that a non-human identification always needs to be about past lives.

I guess what's kind of nibbling at me is, I gather from the rules that I wouldn't be allowed in because my self identity in system is too "weird stuff"? The thing is, most people who talk to me on a day to day basis will mostly get nothing but weird dribble about cat macros, video games, meat and dumb youtube videos. Of course that's not all of what I am, but-- I tend to save discussion of the "weirder stuff" for communities/people I know would be okay with it. So if someone tells me "I want to talk about everyday mundane stuff," then really, that's fine-- I can do that. I don't make the weird stuff the focus of all my conversations-- I wouldn't want to, really. At the end of the day, no matter what, the dishes still need doing and the trash still needs taking out.

So, I'm sorry if this comes off as harsh, but this sounds to me like something that people could easily turn into a veiled excuse for snark. Like "let's go over here and make fun of all the people who think they're dragons and fairies and Final Fantasy characters" or similar. I hear plenty of things in both multiplicity and otherkin communities that I don't exactly believe as literal fact, but... for the most part, I don't feel the need to remove myself from the communities in question because of it, if people didn't jump down my throat demanding I must believe a certain thing. When I've backed out of communities it's been for other reasons, like people persistently snarking on the ones they don't believe in or who don't do it exactly the same way they do, whether or not I believe in them.

~Yushyu

[fairly.livejournal.com]

I completely agree. I don't feel the need to say 'Your type are unacceptable because I don't understand you.' To me, that just creates a lot of bad blood.

- Kerry

[inmonopolus.livejournal.com]

If it helps, I don't think you came off as harsh or rude or anything. I think you said what's probably on a lot of peoples' minds.

[relevancedenied.livejournal.com]

It will NEVER be a snark community. That is not the purpose and people that have joined for the sole purpose of putting down other forms of multiplicity will be banned.

For more detailed reasoning, please see my response at the bottom of this page to inmonopolus.

[inmonopolus.livejournal.com]

...Whew. Sorry in advance if I come off as mean, I've tried very hard not to, but I feel there are a few points that I should address.

Firstly, naming no post in particular, there's worse than snark there already. There's downright hate, if not open derision; people with soulbonds somehow...minimize the damage of "real" multiples? I assume these sorts of statements are cool with the community?

As a point of interest, did you ever consider you could legitimately call Jesus Christ (or Allah, or Vishnu, or whatnot) a soulbond--disregarding how you bond, or for what reasons, or who it is, what makes a 'voice in your head' more or less acceptable?

I get a bit sensitive about that topic because I have bonds who could be judged negatively. Nobody from Final Fantasy, but I have a Dracula who isn't of my creation. A Dracula from a popcorn movie, with a really, REALLY stereotypical accent. Oh noes, it's not even the "proper" Bram Stoker Dracula! Does this mean the abuse that I suffered somehow..didn't happen, because of him? Or does it mean I'm saying the abuse of others didn't happen, because I got mentally cuddly with a vampire instead of...what? I mean, honestly.

I hate to say it, but the instant you make a community that openly excludes a subset of people, there's gonna be bad karma. It's like saying, "This is a community for Irish people. But only if you have red hair. Because Irish people without red hair aren't REALLY Irish, or whatnot, we don't wanna know you, you're embarrassing and we don't get what you're about." Or worse, you know, "we don't believe you."

You'd think multiples of any subset could understand the sensitivity of belief in a (Western) culture of thought that runs one-mind-one-body, couldn't you..?

EDIT: Ugh, I must be really tired, I totally forgot the icon I intended to put here. Sorry about that.

[relevancedenied.livejournal.com]

Let me say this again: I have nothing against other types of multiplicity.

Say you were a traditional trauma-based system, and you have a question relating to trauma-based multiplicity, coping, etc. Would you rather ask your question in a place that is 75% soulbonders/natural multiples, or a place with a more even ratio? We can learn things about others by being in a diverse community, but it's not as easy to learn things about ourselves.

Then there is the extremely blatant fact that the large majority of the people in the groups I have excluded are people "trying out" multiplicity.

There is NOT hate, that it what has offended me the most. I do NOT hate soulbonders, I just don't understand them. I am still in multiplicity and other communities with soulbonders, but I simply can't learn anything from them. In communities such at multiplicity, though, I have trouble finding anyone that I CAN learn something from due to the huge majority of people with soulbonds, otherkin, etc. My best friend struggled with multiplicity for years, and didn't find help because all the communities she went to involved soulbonding and otherkin, and it confused her, and she didn't relate. And so she didn't find help for years. Is that what should happen to people, just because THEY aren't like YOU?

I ACCEPT your right to be a soulbonder or whatever else, but it doesn't mean that I have to sit back and watch from the sidelines.

[inmonopolus.livejournal.com]

My soulbonding is partly natural and partly trauma based. I dunno, this community here accepts all comers--there are over a thousand members, and I haven't seen any official numbers indicating how many are "natural"...

I have no idea what you mean by 'trying out' multiplicity.

One pressing fact keeps reoccurring to me as I read through your post--that if you really want "help" for your problems, and you ask here, people who are knowledgeable come forward, and people who can't relate, don't. So there's no reason to exclude people, unless certain types of people just upset you. And that's fine if there's a good reason (serial killers tend to upset me, you know), but sort of weird if there isn't one.

Please don't imply I don't want anyone to find the help they need, that's kinda mean.

[tajuujinkaku.livejournal.com]

By "trying out" multiplicity, I mean faking, in nicer terms. Some people can pretend that everyone is 100% telling the truth, but most know better. A LOT of people fake just for the attention, or to be more like a friend, or what have you.

If we could all just come to one community, and receive the help we need while those who cannot help just look on, what is the point of all the other specific communities? JUST soulbonding communities and JUST otherkin communities?

[inmonopolus.livejournal.com]

Oh, well, there are fakers in all walks of life. Much easier to fake online, but you know, I've met godawful tyrants who were faking what you call "natural multiplicity". Which is much easier to do, considering the abundance of ..spurious information on the DSM-IV and the internet.

I don't pretend anything. I am, however, trying to determine if you're thinking all soulbonding is faking or what. That seems to be the general message some users on your new community have--I wasn't saying you yourself were being hateful, but a few of them were (in my opinion) at the very least being intolerant.

As to the specific community venture, in checking the user info of the other communities--soulbonding and otherkin and the like; none of them seem to support making negative comments about excluded groups.

The point I'm trying to make here in general is if your "headvoice", frankly, is called Pikachu or Protector or Professor Moriarty or Pi to the Twenty Second Place, normal society thinks you're crazy, so it's rather unkind to turn around and do the same within subgroups to others.

[tajuujinkaku.livejournal.com]

I'm not calling anyone crazy, I'm not implying that all soulbonders are faking, and I sure as hell never encouraged anyone to make negative comments about anyone. I would appreciate it if you would stop putting words in my mouth, and stop giving my community such a negative light when in reality it just exists to help people, just like the rest of them. If you don't like it, or don't agree... well, don't join. It's as simple as that.

[inmonopolus.livejournal.com]

I won't join, but that's mainly because you've said I'm not allowed on account of the sorts of people I share my body with.

The thread I'm referencing is the third post in your community--I'm not trying to give it a negative light, I'm just stating what I read there. I never said anyone was saying anything other than what they did say.

I'm probably not the best person to debate this with, honestly.

[relevancedenied.livejournal.com]

In case anyone didn't know, I am tajuujinkaku as well. This is my solo journal.