I know this may sounds harsh, but *shrugs* If you (collectively) cannot control a dangerous person from the inside, you need to enlist outside help. And at times that help involves checking yourself into the place with the nice white padded rooms (ok, so I have yet to actually see the padded rooms in the mental hospital, but you get the idea). Being in a mental hospital is annoying enough that the threat of it can keep some "rouges" in line once it's been experienced once or twice. and most of the time you don't need to tell them exactly why you are checking yourself in if you don't want to. You can tell them that you feeling suicidal - I think it's a mandatory 3 days of lockup in that case though - the antidepressants have a tendency to keep me from shifting for some reason. The also keep me from feeling anything at all, so I hate them. But sometimes all you need is a bit of a cooling off time, and being confined in the hospital guarantees you won't be able to hurt anyone. (I used to think that if I got really upset, no number of people could restrain me - then I saw the staff at one mental hospital bring down a huge fellow who obviously knew what he was doing in a fight. Those people are scary - and they probably would be w/o the syringes too).
You can go into any police station and tell them your suicidal and they are required to take you to the nearest mental health facility. And most public clinics are too understaffed to notice if your lying to them. So you can probably get away with any old "crazy" excuse - just make sure that you check yourself in voluntarily. A vol going in can check themselves out - with the exception of some states having a 3 day minimum for suicide cases. If someone else checks you in, you have to go to court or get the doctor to kick you out. actually, if it's a state hospital, they'll probably kick you out anyway - they can't afford to keep you in there if your not an immediate danger to yourself or others. That's the trick, you need to convince them that you need help but your not a danger, or you have trouble getting out. I would recommend telling them that Armand was threatening to kill your host body, not Josh, at least until you get a therapist you can trust. And I do suggest trying to get a therapist who can help Armand w/ his temper or possessiveness or whatever his issue is.
If you are looking for advice on how to control Armand internally - you can try good old fashioned female manipulation - "I really won't ever love you if you hurt Josh". You can try getting everyone to band together and lock him up so he can't ever take front again.
I also think you should let Josh know that you don't want him to get hurt and not see him until you get the situation under control.
The problem is not that Josh needs to be protected. The problem is that Armand needs behavior modification - or baring that he needs to be stuck in solitary confinement.
Also, one of the men you love? If the other men are external and they all get along well, can Josh call on them to help him restrain you if/when Armand comes out?
sorry this is all rambling - we haven't eaten and are rather scattered. I better go get food, actually... good luck...
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Date: 2003-12-11 10:24 pm (UTC)If you (collectively) cannot control a dangerous person from the inside, you need to enlist outside help. And at times that help involves checking yourself into the place with the nice white padded rooms (ok, so I have yet to actually see the padded rooms in the mental hospital, but you get the idea). Being in a mental hospital is annoying enough that the threat of it can keep some "rouges" in line once it's been experienced once or twice. and most of the time you don't need to tell them exactly why you are checking yourself in if you don't want to. You can tell them that you feeling suicidal - I think it's a mandatory 3 days of lockup in that case though - the antidepressants have a tendency to keep me from shifting for some reason. The also keep me from feeling anything at all, so I hate them. But sometimes all you need is a bit of a cooling off time, and being confined in the hospital guarantees you won't be able to hurt anyone. (I used to think that if I got really upset, no number of people could restrain me - then I saw the staff at one mental hospital bring down a huge fellow who obviously knew what he was doing in a fight. Those people are scary - and they probably would be w/o the syringes too).
You can go into any police station and tell them your suicidal and they are required to take you to the nearest mental health facility. And most public clinics are too understaffed to notice if your lying to them. So you can probably get away with any old "crazy" excuse - just make sure that you check yourself in voluntarily. A vol going in can check themselves out - with the exception of some states having a 3 day minimum for suicide cases. If someone else checks you in, you have to go to court or get the doctor to kick you out. actually, if it's a state hospital, they'll probably kick you out anyway - they can't afford to keep you in there if your not an immediate danger to yourself or others. That's the trick, you need to convince them that you need help but your not a danger, or you have trouble getting out. I would recommend telling them that Armand was threatening to kill your host body, not Josh, at least until you get a therapist you can trust. And I do suggest trying to get a therapist who can help Armand w/ his temper or possessiveness or whatever his issue is.
If you are looking for advice on how to control Armand internally - you can try good old fashioned female manipulation - "I really won't ever love you if you hurt Josh". You can try getting everyone to band together and lock him up so he can't ever take front again.
I also think you should let Josh know that you don't want him to get hurt and not see him until you get the situation under control.
The problem is not that Josh needs to be protected. The problem is that Armand needs behavior modification - or baring that he needs to be stuck in solitary confinement.
Also, one of the men you love? If the other men are external and they all get along well, can Josh call on them to help him restrain you if/when Armand comes out?
sorry this is all rambling - we haven't eaten and are rather scattered. I better go get food, actually... good luck...