Some thoughts on Multiplicity as reality.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I realize that my system has made a few boo-boos in this community. However, it has been a rewarding experience learning from you folks about the varieties that the Multiple state of existence can take. Lately, we of the Crew have been discussing about a few things and I thought we'd ask this community what  you think.

1) Most of my system has a tendency to reject certain aspects of multiplicity. They tend to think that the fools that act all fluffy are nothing like them. More than a few of them, though, have tended to reject the old infamous <internal superhuman abilities> inside the mind. This has upset more than a few of the old guard. They see the stranger aspects of this system as something we should glory in. Personally, I agree with Lucifer, a member of our system who says that these different aspects are a sure-fire ticket to the booby hatch. I am currently arguing with the Old Guard about the abilities that we possess internally. I think that they are a hindrance to our system, and would encourage the idiots that glory in them to do it in our homeworld, not in the portal area. I would like to know, have any of the other members of this community had a division about anything important in your system, and how did you resolve it?

2) The more unique members of our system are flirting with the idea of using technology from the homeworld to transform themselves into humans. I don't want the stronger aspect of our system, particularly the two members I am thinking of, to dissolve their indentity and become a human internally. That, to me, would be a sell-out to a world that most of the Crew despises. These members of our system would willingly sacrifice a major part of who they are, so that they can fit in to a climate that doesn't want them anyway. These two system members are considering this procedure, and they reject the notion that such a sacrifice would mean the end of them. I don't want that particular group within our system to become as the 6.5 billion Homo sapiens. I know it's up to them, but it would be a great loss to our system were they to go through with it. I would like your opinion, those of you who have otherkin in your systems, would it  be worth it to transform a nonhuman subjective intellect into a human one?

I realize that I, and my system tend to rub people the wrong way. If these questions are in any way offensive, please let me/us know.

Anthony DeRouen^Crew.

Comments

[ridetothesea.livejournal.com]

1) Yes. Careful talk is the only advice we can give. Everyone has to be willing to come to a compromise, or it's not going to work.

2) Merely for the purpose of fitting in? No. There's no guarantee that being human will help you better understand humans, or fit in better with humans. "Human" encompasses a vast number of people, and there are many, many differences among humans. No one is going to understand them all. Being a human does not automatically mean that you are going to understand everyone else, or that they are going to understand you.

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

1. I can't think of any thing that our group had a big disagreement about. Some times we can't decide if we want to use separate journals or all use one journal. One thing that some of don't really like is when some one says they created a person just to do a job no one else wants to do. Having some one doing the chores or taking a hard class in school is OK. I mean some thing that sounds abusive like no one else wants to be hurt by some thing so they make one person get all the hurt for them. I never understood that. If some one ever made me take a lot of some thing like that I would leave and make them do it them selves!

2. Why would you want to be a human? I'm not human and I'm not going to pretend to be one just so a world that thinks I'm imaginary will accept me! Think about it. Most of this planet thinks groups like in this community are imaginary any way. Why would you want to like some one that doesn't believe you're real? Changing to be like them isn't going to make them accept you any more. It isn't what you are or what you look like that they don't accept here. It's the fact that we're all a group in a single body. If some one can't get past that idea then how are they even going to care if you're a tiger spirit or from the planet Crio? Your group could be all humans and they still might not accept you. I wouldn't do all this plastic surgery or what ever you're doing unless you're really sure!

Kalli & Little Kal

[rabbitsystem.livejournal.com]

Well said.

[rabbitsystem.livejournal.com]

That was me.

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

Thank you Durza.

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

That's what we do anyway. When anyone in our group comes here to use the body we're using a Human body. If we're Human or not while we're here we're all temporary Humans. if you change yourself are you just changing the outside of your group mates? Isn't that what you do when you use the body? How would changing yourself to a Human be any different than what happens when you come here to use the body? we come here and put on the Earth Human costume and play Human for awhile.
LeAnne

[ghostcreature.livejournal.com]

we come here and put on the Earth Human costume and play Human for awhile.

that's the best point i've heard made in a while!

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

thanks!

[confractions.livejournal.com]

I think you should be clearer in what you write. First you bemoan the fact that your system wants to glorify in its superhuman whatever and then you turn around and talk about magically becoming human? Umm whatever. This may rub you the wrong way but honestly, if you have this technology then bring it to the outside and share it. Otherwise it just sounds like bragging and creating interest where perhaps there just is none.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I freely admit that. However, our Otherworld has different laws of physics than this world. Obviously, or otherwise the "abilities" some of us possess in Halial-Ken wouldn't exist. I intended the second question to be more of a subjective consciousness versus objective body question. As for the Superhuman stuff, most of our system is growing fed up with the New Guard's, eh, how do I say it, selves-absorbtion. Sorry. I still do it.

Anthony DeRouen^Crew.

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

This may rub you the wrong way but honestly, if you have this technology then bring it to the outside and share it.

Uh, how are they supposed to do that? No, really. If you have any tips for how you're supposed to bring technology to the front that doesn't exist in this world, then, uh, wow, I'd love to hear it.

Otherwise it just sounds like bragging and creating interest where perhaps there just is none.

To you, maybe. I'm not interested in a majority of posts on this community, but I just scroll past them if I'm not. The secret is that everyone wants other people to be interested in them-- even the most absolutely mundane of people. Everyone hopes someone else will take an interest in what they say and focus some attention on them, even if only temporarily. It's just that those who are a bit more "odd" in some aspect of their self-identity are, for some reason, when they mention it, assumed to want interest above and beyond people who fit better with ideas about what's conventional.

~Y.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

That kind of disrespect of another group's subjective reality is uncalled for. In this community, many groups have their own homeworlds, and their own technology, and they are free to talk about it here. Whether or not you understand it, what they describe is their experience. By the rules and guidelines of this community, talking about these things is not bragging. Go back and read the community userinfo on subjectivity if you haven't.

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

Uh, wow. LJ just ate the whole thing I was trying to post (I thought I'd select-copied it before hitting the post button, but apparently not, damn you LJ and your "invalid form submissions") so I'll summarize everything that I said. If I can remember everything I said in the big long original version, I'll repost as much of it as I can.

1) Honestly? There's no reason for you to censor yourselves within the system or on your homeworld just because you can do things there that you can't do in this world or that might be seen as "too far out." I don't see how it would be a problem unless you start confusing what you can do in your own world with what you should do in this one.

2) Again, no reason for you to change yourselves because you think it would help you fit in better or because other people might not approve of it.

...my original version of this was a lot better. I'll see if I can type up a fuller version later on.

[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

1. Why?
2. Why?

Who are you guys living for anyway?

--Me