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[20splinters.livejournal.com]

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King, jr.

I'm sure he used that referring to the oppression of blacks, but it applies to any group or culture that is widely misunderstood. It seems like there's been a lot of posts here lately about how many different ways people misunderstand being multiple. (Let's not even get into all the other "alternative cultures" that a multiple might be more likely to get into than a singlet, just because of having so many different needs and desires.)

Is there some sort of organized effort out there to educate the world at large about what multiplicity is? If not, there should be, but I'm not good at organizing stuff.

Don't ever let your mother tell you you'll never learn anything watching cartoons. I got that MLK quote off of Cartoon Network!

JOey

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[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

That was what Pavilion (http://www.karitas.net/pavilion) was originally supposed to be for, but it kind of... disintegrated due to bad management in its first year. There never really has been an organized effort at getting it back up and running, although the pages are still there.

We've definitely thought about reviving it, since we were one of the groups who worked on the project when it was first put up, but then it gets kind of overwhelming to think of the sheer number of things we'd want to overhaul (and it's hard to edit the pages, too, because they were done with a page design program-- that's kind of a minor example of the bad management I mentioned).

It's also frustrating because our philosophy on educating people is somewhat different than it was five years ago, and in some ways, we're no longer sure how to approach it. I've actually thought about the possibilities of YouTube videos as a means of explaining our own realities to the world, though, as we've seen some really good ones along similar lines made by autistic people.

[20splinters.livejournal.com]

I thought I remembered there being something out there like that, but I wasn't sure. I'm gonna start a link collection, all the useful informative stuff about multiples as functional people. (I'm planning yet another "coming out" in the journal that people who know me/us/this body in person know of, and I want a lot of information that's not just what I tell them. ::snort:: We've "come out" there before, but there's new friends added, and people who might not have had internet access at the time, and of course the ones who just figure, "She's just being weird again, looking for attention.")

I don't know if we'd ever do a YouTube thing, but I know we have a lot of writers and artists who would be happy to express if the site ever does get fully up and running. :) (Page design programs. Ucky! Headaches!)

JOey

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

I was looking at your webpage link. I have a question. I hope it's okay to ask. Why is there an & symbol after the group names? What does it mean?

-Butterfly

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

The & thing was supposed to be about denoting that the group that wrote it was a plural system, as opposed to a singlet using, say, the online handle of "Astraea" or whatnot.

One of the things about the project being badly handled early on was that there was a big deal made over coming up with "universal modifiers" that would show everyone when it was a group or someone in a system talking. Actually, there was never any real consensus on this issue. The one that eventually ended up being adopted was "System^Person"; for instance, "Blobs^Fred" if Fred was a member of the Blobs system. But not everyone was happy with this. Some people didn't like the fact that it emphasized the system before the person's name; other people thought it wasn't necessary to have any designation at all to show when someone was part of a plural system, because it worked against the point we were trying to make, was that people in systems were individuals and should be treated as having just as much personhood as any single person.

But that also led into a sticky point, too, because some systems don't experience people as fully separate, or do experience them as parts of another person, and so what do you do about them? There was a lot of talk about creating resources for medians, for people who didn't experience their system members as fully separate individuals, but then that got bogged down in arguments and debates over who counted as a median and a lot of untenable theories attempting to define what exactly the difference was. And this ended up taking precedence over the page itself, in the end.

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

I understand now. It sounds confusing, but it also sounds like a secret code and might be fun. :) I'll try it once here. If I'm part of two groups would I do it like this?

-Butterfly^Tej Agni^Kasiya&

more here

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

http://www.karitas.net/pavilion/library/articles/c_ppolite_ast-hon0802.html

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[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

I liked this page. You should link it somewhere so more people can read it. Using the symbols sounds confusing to me a little bit. But I guess I get confused most times. I would like to use my name first before our group name. That way it will be Butterfly of Tej Agni and Kasiya Epitome. Instead of Tej Agni and Kasiya Epitome with Butterfly inside. I'm silly I think. :)

-Butterfly

Re: more here

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

We've been saying [name]@[group].

Butterfly@Tej Agni@Kasiya it would be.

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[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

I don't usually add our group names with my name because I don't want to confuse anyone with so many different names. I can try though. :)

-Butterfly

[overlord-mordax.livejournal.com]

Don't ever let your mother tell you you'll never learn anything watching cartoons. I got that MLK quote off of Cartoon Network!

Boondocks reruns?

[20splinters.livejournal.com]

I think it was Adult Swim actually. I don't remember during which show, just remember waiting for it to show again so I could get it all written down correctly.

Joey

[rhymer-713.livejournal.com]

Hmmm. Way we do it is Rayvin/Rhymershouse...But we've done it Rayvin^Rhymershouse or sometimes reversed..Hmmm...Good questions. Pavilion, although slightly defunked is a good page nonetheless. Or we think so anyway.