Soulbonds of Earthworld multiples.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Do any of the groups on this community have soulbonds of Earthworld multiples like Truddi Chase, Doris Fischer, or Ansel Bourne?

We have the soulbonded version of the Billy Milligan Collective from the Crowded Room script by James Cameron in our system. The 24 Faces, as they call themselves can either separate or remain in one internal body. We realize that it's systems like us that give multiplicity a bad name, and therefore, we are offering to leave the multiple community entirely.

Sorry about Vladimir Vondohn. He's a pain in the you-know-where. Please, forget all that we asked. We're going to work on our problem.
(Y. Magnus^Crew)

Comments

[inner-clique.livejournal.com]

that sounds kinda creepy that someone could claim to have people from other groups inside their group.obviously they aren;t the same people. weird. jj

[tempusfrangit.livejournal.com]

Um. No.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, it's true. Somehow a soulbond of Billy Milligan ended up in here. Seems like we always attract the wackos.
(V. Vondohn.)

[tempusfrangit.livejournal.com]

*opens mouth to say something, but just closes her mouth again and shakes her head*

[our-menagerie.livejournal.com]

haha i did that too! but im drugged so thought it better to shut up :)

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

No, aggression definitely isn't the best way to protect yourself in every situation. Being a protector is just as much about being able to identify dangerous situations and keep yourself out of them if at all possible. There are some situations where trying to fight back just digs you in deeper.

(There's also this (http://www.dreamshore.net/amorpha/protector.html), on the same subject, which we wrote a few years back.)

[thehumangame.livejournal.com]

-.-

Man, why doesn't LiveJournal have a "prevent me from seeing any community posts by [x] user" option?

~j

[nat-leia.livejournal.com]

We don't know and we don't care. Though we don't doubt soulbonding like that is possible, and would not condemn people just for having soulbonds of other systems, but please, consider also those *other systems'* interests while asking questions like that... Did you debate the idea with any of said system's associated people yet?

We think people generally don't like the "I am you" idea, neither with in-system nor out-system people, and so please bear in mind some people might be very offended by suggesting ideas like that... We don't think you're a jerk, but think this wasn't very careful...

-We (Aimee and somebody, we don't know)

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Again, I, speaking for our Crew, apologize. You're right, we have little of substance to offer, or at least that's the way we've been acting. This system is willing to leave this community, if you feel we've been acting in an inappropriate manner towards other people. As for wether the Milligan self inside is the real Milligan? Impossible. We read the James Cameron script of "The Crowded Room" and all of a sudden...POW! There they are! We are NOT claiming to be Billy Milligan, have telekinesis, super-strength, ability to enter dreams, or even demons. Therefore, if a majority consensus of this community feels we should withdraw, then we will do so without fuss or flaming.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

They take it easy. As Irving says, "Weird sh*t happens all the time here." As for the other question, this group keeps getting bigger, and bigger, and I want it stopped. As kangetsuhime suggested, we'll try to identify the problems and correct them. Back OT, stabilizing THIS system? Easier said than done. We've cut drastically down on the new people, but nowhere near good enough. Now they appear every two or three weeks, not every two or three hours. Dramatic, I know, but this system seems to live solely on drama.
-What, Hurricane Rita isn't drama enough for us? Irving^Crew
-No, guess not.
The Crew

[nat-leia.livejournal.com]

Thank you, Maxim. We have thought that the general aversion that seems to be on this thread has something in common with the past the authors have and their reactions to the whole comm, and we're kind of glad to hear that it's because of the constant nature of claims the authors have and not just because of "distrust" matter. Clearing things up for us.

[thehumangame.livejournal.com]

Well, I guess I actually ought to explain so no one gets the wrong idea.

Reasons You're Annoying:

- You constantly post just to say "We have [x] in our head".

- You post about only the weirdest aspects of your system as though that's all that mattered.

- I don't like the way you talk about outsourced soulbonds. I think it just shows an incredible disrespect for the character to claim to be them so casually. Again, you do this all the damn time, not just once or twice.

~j

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

Alright. We're sorry. We are very confused right now, though that's no excuse. This system is going through a period of instability, has been for the past several months. I'm going to try to reign it in. The thing is, I speak for all of us, and apologize for annoying you, the members of this forum. We'll do our damndest not to talk about the weird aspects.
(The Superhuman Crew)

[kangetsuhime.livejournal.com]

It's not that people want you to try and not talk about them. It's that it appears to be *all you talk about*. There's a difference.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

I see the difference. But still, our offer stands. If you feel that we are offering little value to the multiple community at large, we'll leave this community, without trying to wreck it.

[kangetsuhime.livejournal.com]

... I'm not sure vaguely passive-aggressive "Well if you don't like me then I'll go" will make people very sympathetic to your cause either o_O

The thing when you find out people have a problem with something you've said or done, is to note it, examine it, adjust if you want to. If you think that you'd rather leave, then this is your decision to make privately and do as you wish. 'Offering' to leave is not very helpful, because it's a very manipulative offer. Either people back down and go "awww, we didn't meaaan it, staaaay", and you don't change and they feel annoyed, or, they say "Yeah okay, bye" and look like bitches for answering the question honestly.

People often don't intend to sound P-A or manipulative. Nobody's saying that you're *trying* to get up people's noses. But it's better to just note what people have problems with, and decide what you want to do about it.

[kangetsuhime.livejournal.com]

*facepalm* Deleting doesn't generally help either. But hey, whatever makes you happy. I've tried to advise you, do what the hell you want.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

We're back now. You're right. We're passive aggressive. We'll talk with the therapist about that. I'm not trying to be manipulative. Our problem is that what we mean and what we say are two different things. Just ask our mother. *Alan hits me on the head.* Look, Kangetsuhime, frombeyond, I apologize again. I don't mean to be one of those "Be nice to me or die" people. Our system is still very young. No excuse again, but after all the frickin' chaos we've been through, and with school starting again, we're a little frazzled. Please forgive us.

[nat-leia.livejournal.com]

We feel it's not a matter of how weird those aspects are (everybody, even singlets, have their quirks, right?) but maybe more so a way of your presenting those aspects that feels so annoying to some mems of the community? Just a suggestion, I am not saying those are the *real* reasons for anybody.

-Aimee

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

There is no community policy that people aren't allowed to talk frequently (or infrequently) about things that seem to others outlandish or absurd.

They've been on since November and have made eleven posts (I didn't count comments). That's hardly spamming the community. Not all of those were about "weird" aspects of their system; they do not make "only" outlandish claims; they talked about difficulties with family, their work on wikipedia, and quite recently they started a very good discussion (http://community.livejournal.com/multiplicity/532872.html) about why male-body multiples have been associated with criminal behavior in the popculture image of multiplicity.

Most people think multiplicity itself is too "out there" -- let alone ideas like living multiple, having soulbonds, and the other things that are discussed freely and openly in this community.

As long as they are not violating community policy as detailed on the info page, underlankers have just as much right to bring up "out there" concepts, ideas, and experiences as anybody else on this community, and they have just as much right to be here.

If it isn't what they say, if it's how they say it, what is it about their presentation that is annoying?

[defleshed.livejournal.com]

Thank you for not sucking as a mod

- S.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

You're quite welcome.

[pengke.livejournal.com]

That would be the most awesome feature ever.

*de-lurking*

[khongten.livejournal.com]

Man, why doesn't LiveJournal have a "prevent me from seeing any community posts by [x] user" option?

It does, by way of adding a "kill-file" to a custom s2 style and then using that style to view everything, including other journals and community. I know this because another system member, thebkcam, used to fiddle around with the idea, thinking it could prevent flame wars and such (or at least, keep her from ending up in the middle of them).

It doesn't, of course, because if you have a personal "kill-file", no one else will know you have it unless you make it public that you have it and whose posts and comments happened to be blocked by it. In this community, that can lead to being blissfully ignorant of posts and comments that other members assume that you also saw (when you don't), or to people going "OMG YOU FUCKING NAZI" and so either way, you'd have what you were trying to avoid in the first place.

Code and/or ticky boxes won't ever be the answer to a social problem.

Re: *de-lurking*

[khongten.livejournal.com]

...wow. Now I'm picking up bad habits from the "little". (Pointless Internet Trigger Disclaimer: I am not actually referring to an actual "little".)

Have some links about s2 killfiles, so this self-comment can have a point:
http://thette.livejournal.com/280745.html
http://community.livejournal.com/lj_dev/663183.html

[leucrocuta.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and say: eh, I don't see why not, really. I mean, you're not saying you've magically formed a bond with their system and have his actual system members hopping over to your head, right? It's more just a case of "read the book, SBed our own version of them", like could happen with a fictional character or whatever? (or as inner_clique put it, "obviously they aren't the same people".) *shrug* I mean, other people have said they SB historical figures or celebrities, so it's clearly a thing that happens, and I guess multiples aren't going to be somehow automatically excluded from that.

So uh. It's odd, and I've never heard of it before, certainly don't experience it myself, but I guess I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be theoretically possible.

[kangetsuhime.livejournal.com]

re: your edit.

a;tysludfiudgvd. I give up trying. That's worse than your comments. Dammit. STOP MARTYRING YOURSELF KTHNXBAI.

[vinik.livejournal.com]

After your second edit, I would like to congratulate you on taking responsability for your behaviour here. I am aware that there was some turmoil within this thread beforehand, but it also goes to show that people here can experience conflict and that something good can come out of it. Hopefully other multiples will read this full exchange and feel more comfortable with the concept.

[vinik.livejournal.com]

Oops, forgot to mention exactly what I meant by behaviour. It was just referring to the passive-aggressive thing that you quickly got over. :)

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

I figure it's like leucrocuta said. I wouldn't make too much out of it. I'd be more concerned with the way they (or rather your image of them) might influence the rest of your all's attitudes & conduct. Was I to adopt an image of such a person, I'd at least try to make it someone a little less reckless like Troops^Joe or something. Least he has his head on straight.

[fadingtogrey.livejournal.com]

Having come in after the edit, I feel as if I've missed something. In response to the post as it is now... no, we have not, but we've also never had an outsourced soulbond.

Oh my godz.

[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

Okay, stop worrying what other people think.

Let's presume they are right. So you give other multiples a bad name. So what? Noone said this community was only for people who give multiples a good name anyhow. Besides, it's your life. Just live it.

Relax. As for them, if they can't deal with you, they'll just have to learn to ignore you.

--Me