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Jun. 26th, 2006 12:48 amI gave my intro, but don't know anything about any of you all yet, except what little bits I can pull from replies and whatnot, so...
Anyone who wants to introduce themselves, please, I'd like to get to know some of you all. Don't mean to be an attention whore, I'm just curious as to what you're all like, what makes you tick. Are any of you like me, you were always more than one person but you didn't realize it because you were co-fronting? Was there a specific event that brought you together, or awakened someone who had been "sleeping" within you? Are you more like diagnosed DI, parts of your mind fragmeneted to form individual selves in response to something? Or was it something else entirely?
Does one of you front most of the time? Has it always been this way? Does more than one person want to be in control? How do you get along with your bodymates? How often has it gotten you neck-deep in trouble? Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that cklaims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc? Or do you beleive - no, accept this so deeply that you can be content being just one of many?
Forgive the slew of questions, but I'm genuinely curious. I only personally know one other sane, "healthy" multiple, and I've only known her maybe a month. My best friend and roomate is fragmented, but that's not the same thing by any stretch...though now that I finally got around to coming out to him (known him like 8, 9 years I think, and we tell each other about everything else we have going on except the most important one >.<) Admittedly, it will be easier to live together now, seeing as I can stop pretending to be what I'm not when I get home, which I haven't been able to do since I lived alone. It gets really tiring fast, as I'm sure most of you know.
So yes. I seem to have ranted again, but please, tell me about yourselves (pun not intended).
-Dan
Anyone who wants to introduce themselves, please, I'd like to get to know some of you all. Don't mean to be an attention whore, I'm just curious as to what you're all like, what makes you tick. Are any of you like me, you were always more than one person but you didn't realize it because you were co-fronting? Was there a specific event that brought you together, or awakened someone who had been "sleeping" within you? Are you more like diagnosed DI, parts of your mind fragmeneted to form individual selves in response to something? Or was it something else entirely?
Does one of you front most of the time? Has it always been this way? Does more than one person want to be in control? How do you get along with your bodymates? How often has it gotten you neck-deep in trouble? Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that cklaims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc? Or do you beleive - no, accept this so deeply that you can be content being just one of many?
Forgive the slew of questions, but I'm genuinely curious. I only personally know one other sane, "healthy" multiple, and I've only known her maybe a month. My best friend and roomate is fragmented, but that's not the same thing by any stretch...though now that I finally got around to coming out to him (known him like 8, 9 years I think, and we tell each other about everything else we have going on except the most important one >.<) Admittedly, it will be easier to live together now, seeing as I can stop pretending to be what I'm not when I get home, which I haven't been able to do since I lived alone. It gets really tiring fast, as I'm sure most of you know.
So yes. I seem to have ranted again, but please, tell me about yourselves (pun not intended).
-Dan
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Date: 2006-06-26 05:19 am (UTC)no... we became more than one consciously.
Was there a specific event that brought you together, or awakened someone who had been "sleeping" within you?
specific event... very much so.
Are you more like diagnosed DI, parts of your mind fragmeneted to form individual selves in response to something?
In response to something, yes. To the conventional something? Not at all.
Does one of you front most of the time? Has it always been this way?
Yes. Yes. We're working on it.
Does more than one person want to be in control?
Yes. It seems we both think our way is best.
How do you get along with your bodymates?
Madly in love with each other...
How often has it gotten you neck-deep in trouble?
never.
Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that cklaims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc?
Two years ago, but not anymore.
Or do you beleive - no, accept this so deeply that you can be content being just one of many?
yesss. :D
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Date: 2006-06-26 05:32 am (UTC)I had handles for all the system's known aspects but one ten years before considering self plural. Including signing off messages with different ones of them if one was dominant and it was relevant information to the person I was writing to.
System is highly co-conscious and fluid, between two and four of us on front at any given time; pretty much the only times there's someone up solo are responses to stress, though there have been some where the 'stress' has been positive.
Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that cklaims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc?
I don't think it matters. Processing the self as a system with certain traits makes it easier to deal with certain ways of functioning (which basically boiled down to sudden switches in front population due to stresses; I can frequently negotiate these into smooth transitions now). Even if it doesn't express some Profound Objective Truth about the inside of the head, it's an effective descriptor of how things appear, and can be used to apply useful leverage to certain situations.
I mean, one of me claims that she isn't real, that she's a figment of the 'real person''s imagination, a construct or thoughtform for a purpose; she's the only one who believes in a 'real person' at all. The system is more functional when we consider her a person, we're better able to handle things, so all her protestations that the rest of us made her up we mostly ignore. ;)
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Date: 2006-06-26 06:24 am (UTC)Maslows' hierarchy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs) might be a good start. ;)
We don't know where we came from, or how long/whether we'd existed at all prior to one of us realising 'Hey, that's not me thinking at me!'. Memory access is patchy, and like most peoples' memory of their childhood, some parts have been demonstrated to be false.
Kat fronts most of the time, since she's the one who deals with in-person interaction with humans, and other minor emergencies. (In fact, most of the minor emergencies we encounter are caused by & involve people. Heh.) So she's our public face to the world. We're often subtly co-fronting, though, and it's been a while since she's had to handle a day at work entirely on her own.
We generally get along well, though when first learning about ourselves, we had our share of fights. So far as I can remember, we've never gotten into trouble due to a multiplicity-related trait.
There have been times when someone was stuck out front and we've been unable to communicate, and after a while the person starts to wonder whether the rest of us were 'real' after all. We've eventually come back, as you can see. That would have to be the lonliest experience we've ever had.
- Quincy & Kathru
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Date: 2006-06-26 07:09 am (UTC)pfft. I'm the fronter, but as far as it's concerning control, it's absolute dictatorship, here *points at the leader-brothers*
How do you get along with your bodymates?
... we don't. basically a number of varyingly different people being cramped in one place.. so expect of normal interactions here. we hate each other, we argue, throw things at each other.. develop friendships and even relationships, to some. but at any rate we try to keep being a functional system, albeit a dysfunctional 'family'
Or do you believe - no, accept this so deeply that you can be content being just one of many?
we're not content. we'd like very much our own bodies and legal identities in physical world to make our own choices. for two or four of the members, probably a legal marriage. but the condition is like this, so we'd just have to work with what we have.
- Oz, with the help/ interference of some others
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Date: 2006-06-26 08:41 am (UTC)It certainly hasn't always been this way. I "awoke" about 7 years ago, back when Richard was the main fronter. At the time we didn't really have any way of keeping things seperate - it just all felt like a rush of emotions and half-forgotten memories. It was very confusing, and wasn't due to any external event. Over time we came to think of ourselves as something like a median system (although we didn't know the term then) - different personas or masks, but still one person. About 4 years ago we had a personal crisis which resulted in me effectively being all alone in the body. This lasted until about a month ago, when Richard showed up again. We're slowly learning, this time around, to have inner boundaries and to be more aware of who's saying or doing what, rather than it all just being a big shared jumble.
We get along great - Richard and I are used to working together a lot, and I feel even closer to him now that he's returned. Since I still do most of the fronting these days I still wonder, now and then, if I didn't just invent this all, if it's just my imagination running away from me - but ultimately we seem to work better this way, and I'm happier than I've been in a long time, and I guess that counts for something.
Have you tried reading the community Memories (http://www.livejournal.com/tools/memories.bml?user=multiplicity)? There are a lot of posts there from other people about their experiences.
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Date: 2006-06-26 12:44 pm (UTC)Are any of you like me, you were always more than one person but you didn't realize it because you were co-fronting?
Yes.
Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that cklaims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc?
Yes.
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Date: 2006-06-26 02:03 pm (UTC)We had the same problem you describe, with the co-fronting. When we were in university and living away from home our previous "separate peace" started to unravel... it took about 8 years and some harsh experiences (in my case losing over a year and a half of my life) to become fully selves-aware. It's still the best paradigm/definition available to us, and we're pretty comfortable with that. But sure, many of us have had huge doubts and often we still do some time to time.
As for trauma and all that - we have trauma in our background but truly consider it pointless to try to figure out why or where everyone came from. To us it has about as much relevance to daily life as the question of evolution vs. creationism does - ok, it's interesting to contemplate but what are we going to /do/ with our life.
We've /never/ had just one front and we have a lot of people with strong ties to the front and activities that they like to do. We also really believe in cross-training so that different people can handle things like our work, not just in case there's an issue with the "wrong" person being front but also because it gives more people a chance to feel competent and productive... not the only things in life but we see those as positive.
Now that we're parenting we also consider it really important that people enjoy our son and he them. So right now we're in a phase of our life where lots of us practically *huddle* at the front soaking it in. Except maybe at 2 am feeds.
We've been neck-deep in trouble quite a few times for various reasons. I guess I should point out though that pretty well all the actually physically dangerous and emotionally soul-crushing times were back before we would talk with each other and cooperate at the very least on basics. Since then I think I've been *embarassed* more often in some ways just because some individual people have more leeway and desire to do things I find embarassing, like go play on the playground, but no one ever died of embarassment. :)
I think we accept pretty deeply that even if we (I, I suppose) are deluded this is the best delusion. Prior to living multiple, our life was disjointed.
Now it makes sense and we have a lot of harmony and err - joy. Some of it's personal, like I can say hey I'm me, and make my friends my way and also not stomp all over JJ's friends, who expect someone different. It makes me wriggly still to be able to be fully me and not pretend to be some amalgamation. (Sometimes we do, but often we don't have to.)
Some of the joy is shared, like I would never myself have started gardening if Lyria hadn't, but now we both enjoy it to bits. I personally believe that this is the critical change in my attitude about being content - for years I was very angry at not having "my own" life. Now I guess I've come to believe that I'm kind of - err - blessed to get to tag along for other people's stuff, because a lot of things I would never have done myself have been profoundly - fun.
I like and respect pretty much everyone in my system, even if some of them take getting used to and most of us can be pigheaded and bitchy at times.
Wow that was a rant. But you started it! :)
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Date: 2006-06-26 03:20 pm (UTC)So.. Glad to meet you.
Jess of Rhymershouse
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Date: 2006-06-26 06:40 pm (UTC)Yeah, for most of the main fronters of the past, part of being a main fronter included that you weren't conscious of the rest of us. Finally we got tired of that and when Ash was the main host, some of us started making ourselves known to her. Since then, all of us have been co-conscious.
Was there a specific event that brought you together, or awakened someone who had been "sleeping" within you?
Hm, well as silly as it might sound, I think it was the internet. Cause yanno, in real life we all just had to be one person. But then when we'd hang out online, we could all have our own identities as separate people without anyone having to know we were all in one physical body. So people started showing interest in wanting to have their own time at the front so they could do whatever they wanted online, and that's how we started becoming known to Ash.
Are you more like diagnosed DI, parts of your mind fragmeneted to form individual selves in response to something? Or was it something else entirely?
Well, we've been diagnosed with DID, but that doesn't fit us at all. We're not just broke fragments or anything like that, we're all real people. Some of us split from trauma, but not all of us did. We're just many individual minds sharing one body.
Does one of you front most of the time?
Yeah, we've always had one or two MAIN main frontrunners, then usually a slightly larger group of main frontrunners. It's constantly changing though. Right now Echo and I have been fronting the most.
Has it always been this way?
Yep, just not always the same person/people.
Does more than one person want to be in control?
Eh, sometimes. I guess for the most part though we're all pretty chill about it and comfortable with just sharing. Sometimes it's frustrating not to be able to always do our own things, but we deal.
How do you get along with your bodymates?
Most of us get along pretty well. We're like family - most of the time you love your family, but of course there will be arguements and stuff sometimes.
How often has it gotten you neck-deep in trouble?
Never serious trouble. We've had some minor problems, like nearly getting temporarily banned from a favorite graphical chat that only allowed one account per "person". Ash and Mindless both had accounts, and one of the admins tried to prove that they were "the same person" but failed. :D
Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that cklaims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc? Or do you beleive - no, accept this so deeply that you can be content being just one of many?
Depends who you ask. Ash had a really hard time accepting it, but eventually she did. I think sometimes some of us will still occassionally wonder if we're just crazy or whatever, but then someone else will like smack them upside the head and say "cut that out, we're real *smack*" hehe.
~Jolie
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Date: 2006-06-26 08:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-26 09:40 pm (UTC)In a way. As far as we can remember, there were at least two people here. The twins. But recently one of the twins split into two people, and the more we learn, the more we find out that they were probably always two people, but swapped consciousness occasionally. One would be dominant, and the other would be asleep. Now they are separate.
Does one of you front most of the time?
We tend to co-front in groups, usually of 2-5 people. There are three main frontrunners, and one of them will always be fronting, no matter what. They don't have to be in control, but they will be front to one degree or another. For us it's always been this way, and while we can force all three of them away from front, it takes a lot of effort. Things just tend to run more smoothly with one of them somewhere near front. There isn't really anyone else that wants to take full control away. Everybody gets the time to do what they wish to do, and pursue their own interests, so we're all pretty content with the way things are.
How do you get along with your bodymates?
That all depends. Usually we get along great. Sometimes there will be fights though, and we've been known to bicker among ourselves. But we wouldn't ever try to get rid of someone, and there is a very strong bond of love between us all, regardless of how well our opinions mesh.
Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that claims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc?
There are doubts every once in a while. We try to deal with them and move on. We won't let it change who we are, and everybody is relatively happy, so things are good.
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Are any of you like me, you were always more than one person but you didn't realize it because you were co-fronting? Was there a specific event that brought you together, or awakened someone who had been "sleeping" within you? Are you more like diagnosed DI, parts of your mind fragmeneted to form individual selves in response to something? Or was it something else entirely?
None of these are really how the realization came about, to be honest. For the most part, I'm the only one who does the fronting. I just kind of..started talking to the others. I guess there wasn't really a big *GASP* revelation-type moment. ^__^;;
Does one of you front most of the time? Has it always been this way?
Yes. Like I said, I'm the only one who fronts, for the most part. Jack will only front when I ask him to. The others really have no interest in the outside world whatsoever.
Does more than one person want to be in control? How do you get along with your bodymates?
No, everybody's pretty content with me in "control", although I'm not actually running the show here. I just live my life, and they live theirs. We all get along, and Jack serves as my "guardian" in many ways and is especially close to me.
How often has it gotten you neck-deep in trouble?
XD It hasn't yet, but due to Jack's rather....violent nature, it very well could. Fortunately, he never does anything without my consent, and wouldn't dream of doing anything that could get us into trouble.
Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that cklaims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc? Or do you beleive - no, accept this so deeply that you can be content being just one of many?
Indeed, I have a deep suspicion that I am just completely nuts, but I wouldn't have it any other way. ;]
Again, always glad to see a new face. And don't worry, the questions were fun! ^___^
~DL
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Date: 2006-06-26 11:49 pm (UTC)We have had fights about control, definitely. There are some here who try to come out and do things that they shouldn't, so that has to be controlled. Monica is our main doorkeeper, and Ben is the junior.
We've definitely had a lot of denial. We're a trauma-based multi system, so there's a lotta denial coming with that stuff. Mostly it's Sara who gets into the denial, but some of the little kids do it too. Kinda funny when you've got an insider denying that they're multi.
Nice to meet ya.
Kate
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Date: 2006-06-27 05:40 am (UTC)I'd say I 'front' about 55% of the time, Crist-Erui 43%, Kír 2%. It hasn't always been this way; before 1998 Kír only ever fronted once, for maybe 5 minutes. We love each other dearly, and our arrangements work pretty well for the most part, though this is awfully cramped quarters for three people to share.
I know for a fact that we're not "crazy", because crazy people do not have functional lives. That's the only reasonable measure I know for whether or not a person is crazy. If you do your work well, have good relationships with your friends and family, take good care of yourself, your belongings and your dependents, obey the law, don't harm or cheat others, and enjoy life, then who cares what other people think about your lifestyle or beliefs?
If you want to know more about people in this community, I suggest you go check out the archives; there's tons of information from all different people there. Cheers!
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Date: 2006-06-27 08:45 am (UTC)-To the best of my knowledge, Jake and I have always been together, Since Birth. Frost Didn't join us until we were 4 years old but stayed asleep until 21.
"Was there a specific event that brought you together, or awakened someone who had been "sleeping" within you?"
-Yes actually,....It happened while we were drving home from Seeing Star Trek Nemesis In The Theater. Frost Woke up then, and was none to happy about where he was and kind of lashed out in all sorts of inappropriate ways. But That's passed now.
"Does one of you front most of the time? Has it always been this way? Does more than one person want to be in control? How do you get along with your bodymates?"
-I Front 85% of the time. It's always been this way. My Brothers Nudge at the door when they want to be up. I Think we all co-Habitate as well as any could with three people in one body.
"Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that cklaims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc?"
-All The Damn Time. Frost gets a little tired of the constant questioning, But he deals with it, because he cares about me.
We made a post, In our Journal with neat Pics of Us, but the Image Hosting seems to have gone awry. But there's More of the specific details about Who we are. This Post,( http://jhonathand.livejournal.com/85327.html )
So, we look forward to talking with you more in the Future. Would you mind if we added you to our Friends list,.?
Warmest Regaurds,.............~M/F/J~
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Date: 2006-06-28 01:09 am (UTC)To answer some of your questions... Several were born in this body.. at least three that we can trace back.. we didn't realize it was any different than other people. We thought everyone had "friends" that they talked to. Those three just did not know about the others of us. We discovered more of our house after some problems in school.. Some of us are souls that broke off the original three, but we've grown and changed from those we were born from.. Some have been called or placed here, some are.. "hanging out til something better comes along"
We switch rather often.. We have gone through periods with a "host" or group of main fronters, but that isn't feasible at the moment. Several wish to be in control, varying on who we're around and what we're doing.. (for example myself and my house, are not comfortable at the job the body/council has chosen, so we leave it to other people who are better.. more comfortable there). For the most part we get along amicably, there are disagreements, but that is to be expected with any group of people.
How often has it gotten us in trouble? School was an adventure.. trouble... hmm.. two fights in middle school.. where the primaries blacked out and woke up in the principal's office with him asking questions they had no answer for. After that things were locked down rather tight.. as they learned .. hmm.. "how deep the rabbit hole goes".
Doubt that this is real? No, we do not doubt our existence, we have.. many times brighid and some of the others wish it were not real, but we do not doubt it.
We KNOW that this is our life, to be a part of a house.. not all of us chose to be here.. but we are.. As far as content, our life is much better now than it was.. and we strive everyday to make it better for all of us.
-Lea
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Date: 2006-06-29 12:00 am (UTC)I'm apparently not 'technically' part of the system or whatever. The system is three girls, at the moment. The original, two others, one of whom I'm kinda dating, or something.
S'all fairly healthy, consensual, I think. From what I can tell the 'host' has been around people like me for quite a while. Just Selene was the first one to settle in. Didn't seem to be a specific event, but who knows really. Not everyone here *did* get along, but they all get along. Right now the 'host' and Selene share front almost 50/50. Chloe has no inclination to front at all. I'm kinda, you know, here.
Lu has her moments of doubt I guess, but overall, nah, we're all pretty comfortable with this. Well okay, it's weird as all hell, but you know, nobody here is having a fit because they think it's fake. Doubt is good, but you know, so's being comfortable with how you are.
you're free to friend any of us, but none of us really talk about being multiple or whatever. Most you'd get is the occasional 'we'.
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Date: 2006-06-30 01:33 pm (UTC)We took turns fronting, for years at a time. She was the fronter in Italy, I fronted in the U.S. Neither of us knew that we were anything but one person... we just switched off each time we moved from one country to the other.
All the moving between countries was because of my parent’s work. When I left home and began living on my own, I moved permanently to Oregon. She went to sleep, as usual, but no opportunity to wake up again arose.
I noticed that my Italian language skills were getting rusty over time, and it felt like a part of me was cut off, inaccessible. I thought there was nothing I could do about it, short of moving to Italy.
Was there a specific event that brought you together, or awakened someone who had been "sleeping" within you?
Someone I knew discovered she was multiple. Somehow, that helped me to be able to find the lost “part of me”... I was sure it was just a part of me, but I found out she is much more separate from me than I believed at first. It had just seemed as if we were one because there was sharing of memories, the transitions were smooth, and we lived in completely different environments where differences between us could be attributed to differences in our circumstances...
It’s been two years now, since she woke up. I’m still the primary fronter.
Are you more like diagnosed DI, parts of your mind fragmented to form individual selves in response to something? Or was it something else entirely?
No diagnosis. We’ve never been in therapy.
Does more than one person want to be in control? How do you get along with your bodymates?
I am the primary fronter because I am married and have children. Nensi likes fronting, but she doesn’t really want to take on all my responsibilities, so I front most of the time.
Do you ever doubt that this is real, think maybe you're just crazy and everyone else that cklaims to be in your body is just part of your overactive imagination/schizophrenia/etc? Or do you beleive - no, accept this so deeply that you can be content being just one of many?
Doubts only come when she goes inside far enough that I can’t sense her. That happened fairly often at first, not so much anymore. When she’s right there, talking with me, no doubts. But when I can’t feel anything... then sometimes I have to remind myself of what I have experienced, because it doesn’t seem real any more. I don’t go inside... I did, once, since finding out that we are more than one, but she panicked, didn’t want to deal with life without me. So I stay at or near the front.
-Nancy
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Date: 2006-07-02 04:34 pm (UTC)None of us "front" at any time, as we merely have different states of aware responsibility for groups within us; and depending on seasons and challenges in reality, the chain of command within us changes to function effiently for that period of time. It's no wonder that we haven't found a word to describe ourselves, actually, as some of our ways of existing seems more machine-like than human. Well, luckily, that's about the only unemotional term which suits ourselves. Even the extremely scientifical and critical among us have high respect for the full capability of imagination within a multiple mind. It is what gives us strength. The only thing, as a matter of fact, as reality continues to be our nemesis. We do not accept it's logical pointless nature, and as nothing can change that fact, we do not interact with it more than we need to.
We've been uncertain of when we realised our multiple nature, as we saw it as a sign of insanity a long time, and tried to surpress ourselves into functioning as one. A method which almost worked. Almost. It's a long story. Suffice to say, we realised the advantages of being ourselves fully, and developed our illusion of singularity into a face outwards. After we once went insane from having no control of ourselves,(as most of us was but children, all expressing their emotions as once) we decided that we would never accept losing control again. And as such we have never let anyone of us front alone at any time, as that could have disasterous results. We function as a community, with everyone sharing our consious mind to some extent.
There are some scary benefits with our ways of existing.
As we all are "fronting" at once, with some being more consious than others, our ability to reason and draw conclusions is multipled many times over. Although we need to concentrate at a task for a couple of hours to truly gain the advantage of focusing our full attention on something, even our reactions are made depending on many. We are constantly aware of our strict moral code of existance, to stay in balance between ourselves, and will never let any of our rools be broken. Although self-criticizm has always been extremely important for our sanity, so those morals which still stick around have endured lots of inner chaos.
That's the top of the iceberg, anyway.
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Date: 2006-07-03 08:26 am (UTC)