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Jun. 7th, 2006 12:14 pmOooh... This is interesting.
We have evolved beyond the limits of a single identity, instead leaving space within to learn to know every little detail about the depths of our mind. But that also means that we still merely have one mind, as we've only split this one into many. And all these identities still work together as one. Us. We no longer notice anything odd about the various personalities we express, unless when in situations where others might misunderstand our advanced version of extensive mentality. Hmm, that last bit came out strange.
Oh well, we've still never actually met anyone who practiced this form of consciousness. So feel free to discuss the lack of limits in mind with us, as we are eager to find out exactly how different we really are compared to other ones without such limits.
We have evolved beyond the limits of a single identity, instead leaving space within to learn to know every little detail about the depths of our mind. But that also means that we still merely have one mind, as we've only split this one into many. And all these identities still work together as one. Us. We no longer notice anything odd about the various personalities we express, unless when in situations where others might misunderstand our advanced version of extensive mentality. Hmm, that last bit came out strange.
Oh well, we've still never actually met anyone who practiced this form of consciousness. So feel free to discuss the lack of limits in mind with us, as we are eager to find out exactly how different we really are compared to other ones without such limits.
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Date: 2006-06-07 10:37 am (UTC)and of course, there's the others within the larger group who are very separate from our mini group, but this is our own little group within it.. so, yes, we can understand a merging feeling into one person.. :)
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Date: 2006-06-07 11:36 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-07 11:48 am (UTC)I don't think we created ourselves in the sense that you might mean.. other than those who've actually given birth to babies.. I guess that might be a form of creation..
my identities evolved as a result of things that happened in my life? or do you mean the body's history? because my own history is different than the body's history..
and our little group doesn't merge in the sense of becoming one person, because we are still separate while being one.. if that makes sense.. one and many.. might be hard to understand, but that's sort of what I mean..
and we're also separate from the others in the group, who we do have regular contact with as well.. like Jenilee and Henna and the others..
here's a rough picture that we drew up the other day that might help explain what I mean.. pic here (http://pics.livejournal.com/kasiawhisper/pic/000t7fh4)..
this is a very small handful of those in our group.. some of the main fronters are along the top line.. our mini-group is the group in the middle between Jenilee and Romei.. in a sense, it's like we're on entity within the larger whole, but we have a sense of separate singleness.. if that makes any sense.. hope this helps!
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Date: 2006-06-07 01:57 pm (UTC)There's just me & Ash.
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Date: 2006-06-07 02:16 pm (UTC)In Henna's group on the far left, Marya is her sister and Haley is Marya's daughter. The 3 names underneath Henna are her 3 daughters. Benjamin is her son with Horus.
There are numerous more names to add to the Chex Mix group, but we placed in 3 for an example. The same with the Clique teen group. Not everyone within the teens age group are in the Clique though, the same with the Chex Mix.
We're working on making a more in-depth image. This outline was made in 15 minutes, so it isn't very detailed actually. It is nice to see on paper.
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Date: 2006-06-07 10:41 pm (UTC)You say that your own history is different from that of your body. This could mean many things. We had a time when our physical existance was ignored, as there was so much to explore in our mind. Have you always existed within the same body, or do you claim your mind have walked even stranger paths?
It's fascinatng though, how you are able to draw a picture of yourselves. We have always analyzed ourselves deeply, but we have never attempted to write down each and every one of ourselves.
But we guess we aren't that far apart. We have merely some identities far from possible to exist in reality, as we have built most of our mind from unreal experiences.
Does all these identities truly have time to exist within a single physical form?
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Date: 2006-06-07 10:54 pm (UTC)like, for instance, Jenilee doesn't have other people in her mind.. it's just her.. she can hear the others of us, but they aren't in her mind.. the same with Romei and alot of the others..
the only ones of us who do share a mind with other consciousness are those of us who have mini-groups ourselves..
and yep, we have names.. it makes it easier for others know what to call us too.. how do people call to you if you don't have a name? I guess you could go by numbers or something.. no biggie to me.. :) as long as you guys are all happy with it.. you know? :)
yep, my own history is different than the body's history.. it only means one thing: that my life and my memories and my history timeline is different than what occurred while the others were using this body before I arrived here.. :)
in some ways you guys sound a bit like newborns.. are you newly born? it can be confusing at times to understand how things work in a strange environment.. perhaps there's someone that can help you with relating to things around you..?
no, everyone doesn't exist inside this physical body at the same time.. only a few of the main fronters are around here usually at the same time.. everyone else is elsewhere.. back at the mansion or in school or somewhere else in the Kasiya realm, living their lives and raising their kids.. :)
our realm isn't inside this body.. we didn't swallow a universe inside of us.. it's another dimension.. another realm that exists elsewhere.. this body is like a doorway between the two.. does that make sense? well, hope things go well for you guys..
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Date: 2006-06-07 11:34 pm (UTC)If you really want to know the darkness in our heart, read our info page.
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Date: 2006-06-09 01:54 am (UTC)Below, in our response to posywink, is a description of the worlds we create when left alone to dwell in our imagination. That might prove how we manage to survive this otherwise constant pressure from reality.
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Date: 2006-06-09 06:53 pm (UTC)Kasia
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Date: 2006-06-09 07:44 pm (UTC)Reality is the static world of the universe, this planet, and everything upon it. It is all there is physically, and the only thing which truly can be free momentarily from it is the minds of humans. Other animals need not escape from it, as they continue to be part of it. But "homo sapiens" is not that simple. We need more than a temporary existance, we need something else than a static world where existance is temporary. We need imagination.
But reality is the beginning and the end, it is the laws which govern life, and the vast emptiness of deep space. The only thing which reality is not, is the unreal. And the unreal can never exist as anything else than a temporary creation of human thought.
Does this make sense to you? Most we've met who dares stare into the eye of this world either develope strict mental walls to be able to continue living, or adopt flawed "religions" to try to forget what they have seen. But we do neither, with the result that we cannot live. But non-existance is unthinkable, so we merely continue to exist. Apart from reality, but far from free from it. Can there truly be freedom from such a thing, which controls everything except the abstract thought?
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Date: 2006-06-09 08:03 pm (UTC)for us, being here in the "earth realm" is alot easier than our own for several reasons.. the main reason being that Order and Chaos are a great deal more balanced here than where most of us are from..
as such, we are able to create with a greater sense of ease.. only because there is less of a struggle to make a thing or put things in order..
an example would be living on this world and then living on its moon.. you wouldn't have to try as hard in order to move because the gravity is alot less.. you would also have to learn how to adjust your movements to be a bit more gentler, or else you could end up jumping a little further than you intended.. especially if you continued to use the same efforts that you used while on this world.. that is a bit how it is for us here to a degree..
-Amirah, Kasia & Pepper
We understand what you are saying about how reality is viewed for you. We don't use the word "reality". Everything to us just is. If something exists then it is real, even if it is something that is imagined. An imagined thing is as real as an unimagined thing. How can one truly find the difference? It is all in perception. It is all in beliefs. It is all in experience. It is all in what one is capable of understanding. With or without preconceived notions. Perhaps it is simpler to say "all things are possible". Even that does not cover everything.
-Bryce
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Date: 2006-06-09 09:07 pm (UTC)Amirah, Kasia, Pepper and Bryce. We wish you much joy in your realm, and we wish we could visit you sometime. But alas, the nature of reality is yet again too clear, as physical forms cannot exchange identities or minds between eachother. At least our imagination allows us to feel the surface of what you speak of.
One more thing though. Bryce, about your views on reality, we still feel very differently about it. We remember something from long ago, when we still were unsure of our identities...
As very young, we saw no borders between imagination and reality, and it scared us. Things from our nightmares came out into reality and hunted us, and we could not trust our senses. But we learned that the creatures from our mind could not hurt us physically, and so we started separating reality and imagination. For many years we heavily criticized everything imaginary, separating it from reality. And we found much sense in doing this, as there seemed to be an immensely large difference between the two. And we found out more and more different between reality and imagination with every year that passed, until we instantly could tell them apart subconsiously. And so we found out that reality was indeed the harsh truth of physical existance, and the fate of most other humans to live until oblivion inside. But imagination was the tool of the mind, and it could be everything from wonderful to terrible. Humans could have completely different ways of seeing reality depending on the way their minds had developed, and often adopted their parents flawed viewpoints. Some tries to rip apart imagination and reality, but most go mad from the emptiness. We compromised, and made ourselves imaginary. Thus we could remove reality, while still seeing it as the terrible overlord of everything it is. But, there is no actually no defenition of "it". Science is actually getting really good at understanding it's functions. But it's nature has driven humans mad ever since we first understood our temporary nature. Rather than that "anything" is possible, nothing is possible in reality. When even survival is impossible, what can truly be accomplished there? Imagination is but an ability of life, reality will destroy imagination by ending all life. We would sacrifice everything we have to make things different, but we know that anything we do is in vain. We can merely try to seek understanding, and until that happens we cover in our mind, alone together.
Perhaps that is what keeps us from separating fully, from giving ourselves names and living separately in our mind. Pure fear.
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Date: 2006-06-07 11:49 am (UTC)I said above that I'm sceptical. I think there isn't as much division between "personalities" and "moods" or "whims" as people think. As I mentioned above, I like to play with that division and I show it in various ways. One example is names, which I collect like a freaking magpie... I've adopted one single catch-all nickname for the whole of myself, but willing to answer to other names if people care to talk to a particular "aspect" of me (there's that word again; well anyway, I hope you understand roughly what I mean by it).
Another playful example. I describe myself as "I" around normal people, and sometimes use the royal "we" around close friends'n'family because I like the unusual feeling I get when saying it. I have also been claiming to be a god for long enough that my friends completely ignore it, just as I'd hoped.
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Date: 2006-06-07 11:07 pm (UTC)Multiplicity, as we see it, can be many things. Either madness, (where the amount of identities within a mind drives it to insanity), trickery (where the mind in question find enjoyment in portraying several identities), natural evolution in thought (where one realized the limits of the single identity), or many other peculiar reasons.
We are closest to the matter of evolution. Singularity is a limit, and unacceptable to the free mind. We are not mad, as we are fully aware of the extent of ourselves. We are not "fake", as we have always felt deeply offended by the thought of simply showing one of ourselves at a time. We have never built walls to keep ourselves apart, or to ignore parts of ourselves to oblivion.
We do not give ourselves names, as that would only break us apart. When we give ourselves names, we do so as a united being. When we represent ourselves, as here, we come together to give answers as one. Because we cannot deny that we continue to be one mind. There is merely the matter of us not limiting ourselves to living a lie of singularity. Some might not find enough contact with themselves to split consciously into many identities, but those who do so successfully will find peace in their minds.
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Date: 2006-06-09 11:48 pm (UTC)On the other hand, if Susie, Frank and Fifi each have all the emotions that a normal person is expected to have, and their switching seems to have nothing to do with whether their emotions changed, I don't think that can be classified as having anything to do with moods or whims. We're talking about people who differ not in the emotions they're inclined to, but their sense of who they fundamentally are.
Some therapists were actually responsible for perpetuating a lot of the misconception that all multiplicity is a case of separate emotions being recognized as different people. Their model for multiplicity essentially did say that one original person would split off their capacity for anger or sexuality or whatnot into a fragment, and that two-dimensional 'alters' were to be expected. While there are people who fit the model of a single dissociated identity, that's not the same as several selves who share a body, which is more along the lines of what our personal definition of multiplicity would be.
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Date: 2006-06-07 04:28 pm (UTC)The point is that I don't really know whether im clinically plural or not, and none of us really want to find out. Knowing definitively destroys the ability we have to all be correct simultaneously. Belief is more than enough.
But to the OP (and more on topic), whatever else you may believe, don't ever think that there aren't any more secrets in your mind. No matter how hard you introspect or meditate, there are always dark little corners we veer away from instinctively. And there are good reasons for this. There are parts of the human mind, EVERY human mind, that don't bear much examination. We all have monsters and animals making homes in the darkest of our unconscious thickets. At the very least, be prepared to accept some very unsavory things about yourself.
But here we are trying to walk your path for you. If this is something that ends up being pertinent to you, you'll discover it on your own. All we can offer is admonishment.
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Date: 2006-06-07 11:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-06-08 06:13 am (UTC)This is the trick. There's not really any end to the monsters. The deeper you dive to look for them, the more accepting we become of those who've come before, until even the vilest villains can seem to be honest bystanders in an introspective foray for the simple truths of self.
There is no pre-determined depth to humanity's depravity; the bottom is wherever you stop digging. But there's really to reason for me to expect anyone else to learn from my own litany. This is the sort of thing any individual has to figure out for themself. Learning the nature of evil, the darkness that lurks beneath the thin veneer of civilization that nearly every human being displays, is a worthy passtime. But learn about it so that you can fight it. It may not be a battle that anyone can win, but its certainly a battle worth fighting. It is this consciousness that allows us to fight what billions of years of evolution have made us that gives humanity an opportunity to prove it is more than a colony of cells.
I'm obliged to add that not all of us agree on this.
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Date: 2006-06-09 01:36 am (UTC)We see only one monster which constantly haunts our existance, and that abomination is reality. Absolutely unacceptable, but impossible to defeat. But we do not accept such creatures of terror, so we do the only thing we can. We fight it anyway.
Perhaps you have inner beasts we lack? Does not trouble change between individuals? Did we not degrade the word "evil" to a human creation, simply made to explain what simple minds cannot fathom? Evolution in mentality can lead to many things. Why not ascension from such a state of ignorant fear?
Long ago, when but a child, we understood horrible things. Our innocence was wounded deeply when we saw the horros of the world, but we could never lie to ourselves. So we cried ourselves to sleep, and had nightmares for several years. Every night, we felt the lack of existance in the dark, and we fought it. Because we had nothing like it inside. We were better than it. So we adopted the ways of becoming what the world lacked. Purity. Innocence. While still growing melancholic at the thought of what we fought against. But this battle strengthened us, and we still stay strong in it. A while longer, we can hold our position. We know that we will fall, but we will fall innocent. Apart from the world we despise. So we believe that human depravity does not have to exist within a mind. With enough effort, one never has to fall to human mistakes. A mind can be so much more than simply human, it can ascend past it's racial traits.
Tell that to those of you who speak of such mosters.
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Date: 2006-06-09 09:07 pm (UTC)I am the monster she so snidely derides. I don't typically post here because I value our anonymity, and because I am sceptical of most of her explanations for our division. She calls us the sum of this body's animal influences mingled with reflection and logic. She is afrid of us, and she is right to be afraid. She is right when she says that there are always worse things hiding in the unconscious forests, demons and dinosaurs that beg to be drawn into the light, and still, I am the one she fears and reviles most. Its almost an honor, really.
You see, my conflict with her, her conflict with me, is what defines us. No matter how our faces change, what other people come and go through our War-garden of thought, we remain constant. Our battle for supremacy does not end. She has remarked on this in other places, and has said that she knows that neither of us is able to win, that victory would ultimately mean death, a cessation. Yet she continues to fight, harping on the criticality of balance within our shared mind.
On the other hand, I fight because I enjoy it. She will whine and moan about how unsettling it is to constantly be torn by inner strife, but nothing so assures me of my own vitality. I have embraced animosity, even as I am clearly able to perceive and comprehend its alternative. Animosity is the purest state we can find, almost like a concise bible encoded into every human's mind from birth. It requires no great understanding, and suffers no questions. It is pure, unfettered, singular purpose. It is the obsolecence of social order and the harbinger of resounding clarity.
She'll be back to claim about how hurtful and callous we can be. I won't even bother trying to deny it. I fail to see how these things are flaws at all, and have no reason to be ashamed of them.
But do you know what beings me more joy than anything else? Knowing that there is one of me in you, in ALL of you. I am true universal humanity, blind and bloodthirsty.
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I'm really sorry about that. He was quite insistent on speaking his mind in this case, and, disturbing as I find him, I don't want to discourage him from being open.
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Date: 2006-06-09 09:44 pm (UTC)Allright then, "monster", we respect you facing us yourself. Most of your kin is far too cowardly too face justice face to face, and instead spreads your threads of venom from beneath the surface, poisoning entire civilisatons with your corruption.
Now, have at thee, villain! Let us combat with words then, and let us see just how sure you are of your words.
We despise everything of humanity which have let to the deception that lies under the surface of far too many poor minds. But you aren't too clever in your ways, now are you? You speak of monsters, then what of the opposite. What of the guardians of morality, the faerie folk of innocence, and the crusaders of justice? Are you oblivious of your enemies, monster? Just because you might have temporarily won a lot of power within your physical form, do you not see that the opposite has gained ground in many others? And you will grow weak, you will be overthrown by those you think you control. Evil in imagination is nothing but a parasite, which is made to be rooted out.
You speak of the nature of humanity, do you realise the morals which nature has given them even since we were simple mammals? Yes, we say them. You want a nemesis? We have reality, it is but one large target. You on the other hand have many. Behind every corner in your mind awaits the sharpened blades of justice, waiting for a moment of weakness, a moment to strike you down. To free themselves of your opression. To become free. You are flawed, limited, corrupt. We have left flaws behind, with the destruction of your kind we have ascended this mortal level of mind. Watch your nemesis, monster. Watch perfectionism. We might be many, but we share everything. There are no secrets but the secrets we hold together.
Draw strength from his power. Bide your time. Evil does mistakes. Be prepared. Join together behind his back. Then.
Slaughter him.
There will be little to miss.
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Date: 2006-06-10 04:16 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2006-06-10 04:11 pm (UTC)But this will be between all of you and us, no less.
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Date: 2006-06-08 04:11 pm (UTC)Like you, we focus our energies into our imagined world. Our creator, Julia, has set up tasks for us in real life, and we carry them out. We’re working to become detached from real life since Julia has decided that it has nothing to offer her. As our Kara says, “Real life is a business.” Cold-hearted, unmovable, uncaring. We like Blue so much better. We’ve set up our interests and passions and relationships there, not here, because that’s where we can flourish.
Our setup differs from yours, however, in that we live as separate people with separate minds, even though we all originated from the same mind. However, we’ve noticed that we complement Julia by handling things that she struggles with – compliance to authority, sexuality, humor, violence, malice, etc. The literal truth is that she subconsciously created us that way. The story in Blue is that Entity chose us to be Julia’s housemates because we have abilities and qualities that she needs. See what we mean about separating imagination and fact?
-- Patrick, with input from Kara and Zoe
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Date: 2006-06-09 01:02 am (UTC)You speak of Blue and Entity, we have put no words on our ways of survival. Could be because our surroundings would only see us as cracy if we defined parts of ourselves by different names, and our empathic side could not live with that as well as our constant struggle with reality. The middle of ourselves, our consiousness, is hard to describe. It functions as a kind of chameleon, which adapts depending on circumstances. But when apart from reality and it's pressure, it allows us to express almost any kind of identity. All of us have restrictions, of course. One of us would never allow us to lack elegance, for instance. And another never to hurt others without extremely strong reasons. Hmm, that one has had interesting impacts on how we work. We don't get angry or stressed anymore, both a blessing and a curse. Oh, but to even hint at parting ourselves into several minds would destroy us, as we hardly function in reality even as one.
We doubt that we ever could separate ourselves into several "minds", but perhaps we just see the meaning of the word differently. After all, we speak of our identities. But minds sounds so strong, as if we would start to split our opinions as well. Right now, described as a society of identites, our mind could perhaps be described as a council, where the majority of emotions decides how our consiousness deals with things.
Imagination is our only sustenance, it is what feeds all of us. When apart from reality, we create worlds. Not just one to exist in, but several. We create natural laws, magic (to compensate lack in this awful world), and various forms of life. And then we become everything. We spread our mind across our entire creation. Fields, oceans, trees, clouds, animals, and much more. Our mind spreads it's identities over these worlds to recover from being trapped in reality. And every identity creates life depending on their inspiration at that moment, and we become all intelligent life, and interact between eachother as a community. But that is never permanent, as to return to reality we need to absorb all identites again to be able to concentrate. So our time within other worlds are more like camping-trips than solid homes, as we remain fatally realistic.
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Date: 2006-06-09 07:06 pm (UTC)Have you ever heard of the "median" concept, or do you find it useful? We were trying to get some publicity for it a few years ago but didn't really succeed, as the project it was part of was mishandled from start to finish. You seem like an example of a person who could describe yourself as a median, though. I actually haven't met many true medians (apart from
Aude
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Date: 2006-06-09 08:21 pm (UTC)We've developed ourselves as a natural step in evolution in mind, as we never have been influenced by human society enough to stop ourselves of becoming what we are today. We seem to be very different compared to most with multiple identities here, as you all seem to have many different names to tell yourselves apart. But still we understand much of what is said, as we feel similarly when left untoched by reality for a long period of time. But otherwise we remain together, still imitating a single identity to maintain an illusion of singularity to our surroundings. We have no trouble explaining the way we think, as we have since very young age seen our evolution in a purely scientifical way. This distance has allowed us to interact especially much with the evolution of our mind, and we have made ourselves at least mentally into what we wish to be. One physical form can never satisfy us physically though, as we are without gender. Or rather; some are genderless, others are seen as female, and a small minority can be considered male. But we maintain one mind, something we doubt we could split without going insane. We need to stay united against our nemesis reality, as we are too spiritual to accept our explicitly atheistic lack of belief. Oh, we are quite paradoxal sometimes.
But please explain the word median if you feel like it, as we have never found a single word to describe ourselves with.