Multiplicity

*snerk* Thanks, but as I'm sure you're aware, BoyyM is a psychiatrist who's gotten a name for himself online for pretending to be a multiple. He and his cohort got outed a few years ago.

Try this:
http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/silly.shtml

More different kinds of stuff and you don't have to put up with a site designer that assumes you have MPD or DID.

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onwa--keramoto.livejournal.com

your link doesnt work

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http://www.astraeasweb.net/silly.shtml

leave out the "plural"

I was just typing too fast.

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Wow, I haven't heard that about BoyyM before. Who was her/his cohort? Any info on this?

The info I heard about BoyyM was that BoyyM was a female multiple with a lot of male people in their system. About 9 or so years ago I met two multiples (but many many years since I've talked to them), but supposedly BoyyM stayed in a room (rented i think) in a house of this one multiple. The house was located about an hour or so north of Seattle. I don't know for how long that BoyyM stayed there.

I was never extremely close to these two multiples who happened to live together (more or less), and it's been many years since I've had contact with them. I did meet them in person at the time and visited a few times years ago.

Anyway, I don't know what to think. I hadn't heard that tid bit about BoyyM being a psychiatrist faking it. I'm not disagreeing with you or anything. Just haven't heard that information before-- if you have the time, I'd like to hear more about it.

Julie :-)

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This is back in late 2000. It was a restricted-access Yahoo discussion group, "MPD/DID Only". Supposedly run by a couple of multiples, it turned out they were actually psychiatrists collecting info. Someone saw the name of one of the moderators as a psychiatrist on aanother forum somewhere else and blew the whistle on them, there was an enormous row and people left the list in droves. BoyyM still runs that discussion group as far as we know. No word on who the cohort was or is.

BoyyM used to call himself OlPsyBoyyM. His real name is Michael Spendlove. (Andy: At least, that is the name he was using at that time.) He once tried to join our old First Person Plural webring. Andy wrote to him pointing out it was fairly obvious he was a psych, particularly his complete partyline approach and the questions the survey asked at that time. It was a lot more detailed than it is now. He wrote back calling himself "dragnskidz". He said he'd put up the website because he'd gotten so many email inquiries after the many MPD/DID chats he had held on AOL. After that, he put up a few pages about his own group (if any); http://home.att.net/~dragnskidz/Main.html

What we mind is not that he's a shrink but that he pretends to not be one and collects info on plurals. (Which he uses how?) This is the type of thing I think

duathir was concerned about when he wrote this post (http://www.livejournal.com/community/multiplicity/111549.html). You can't very well stop something like that on livejournal though, unfortunately, & is why everybody should be careful what they reveal about themselves online.

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My mother was a fairly well known cultural anthropologist and
she would ALWAYS reveal her status of being a researcher.

BTW - We come from a medical familly - 2 dr's and one social worker.
That name Michael Spendlove rings a bell - I'll ask around...

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Wow, I had no idea about BoyyM. I never knew him, but I knew 'of him.' I must have made an invalid connection and misunderstanding of information from what I had been told 9 or so years ago by way of incorrectly connecting it to be about BoyyM.

It seems unethical to me to pretend to be someone that you're not and have a hidden agenda. I concur about not minding that he is a shrink, but that he pretends he is not a shrink and likely not even multiple either.

Although as a side note and to be fair, I do have a few multiple friends whose career is in the mental health field (therapists with Master and PhD degrees), and they have sought personal support and friendship with other multiples within their personal life, while also keeping their profession personal and private when communicating on Internet public forums. In this manner, I think it is ok, as they are people who happen to be multiple and who happen to have a profession in the mental health field.

However, I do not think this is the situation with BoyyM at all. Thanks for the additional information about BoyyM. It was also helpful to read Duathir's post and the associated threads with it.

Julie
(Julies)

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It's a tough one, I know... we've got community members here in that situation.

On the internet, one can never tell for sure and that's why everybody should exercise extreme caution regarding what they disclose online.

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Yes, it is a tough one.

In regards to the friends I was referring to, I've had daily contact and in latter years several times a week contact within a small and private email group for a little over 9 years...and knew some of them on a message board prior to that. Eventually we knew one another's names, addresses, and phone numbers. We've also had two big reunions (met in person and hung out for a few days), another small get together, and then some members have had one-on-one visits whenever they were in someone's town for business or vacationing.

The email group began as a small and private support group for multiples who are also survivors of abuse, and it has since become like a second family to me. Most of the group members have grown, changed, healed beyond the need for therapy or are in the later stages of healing.

I think the difference for me is that in private and when trust had been established, that when more personal information was shared, their profession was disclosed. The other difference is that it was clear to me that they were being open and honest about various issues they were working on, etc. It was clear that they weren't studying me or psychoanalyzing me, etc.

As a side note, for the most part, I'm a big believer in following your own personal gut instinct.

Anyway, that's been my experience and it's been a positive one in regards to this particular Internet situation.

However, I am also aware and do agree with this statement too:

On the internet, one can never tell for sure and that's why everybody should exercise extreme caution regarding what they disclose online.

It is sometimes a difficult 'call' for me to make about what I reveal on public message boards or online journals, etc. We sometimes write stuff and wonder if we should edit it and take it back in case it was 'too revealing' of any kind of personal dynamic (too personal, sacred, too identifying with bits and pieces of info someone could put together, etc.).

Thanks! I hope you're having a good day!

Julie
(Julies)

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Man This sucks we have had them in are favorites and have been reading them and thought they were a female family with some male peoples with them, and Jeepers cant trust nobody, that totally sucks eggs we were reading and liking there stuff too. Big fat Male fakers. Im mad thnx Elaine

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Hey yah it sucks there are people like that out there but like whatever ya know. It's their life and at least now ya know. I think ya can trust some people in life but ya gotta be careful and looking out for yourself.

So I get that you're way totally mad and all that. I guess I say whatever to crap that I can't really do much of anything about and it's up to individual people to figure out or find out that the dude is withholding info and lying in some way about one thing or more.

Hang Tough
Billie
17/F

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Hi Billie,

My name is Toni and I am from the Mosaic House Gang, where Elaine lives . I will make sure Elaine see's you message. We think more than this group Elaine might be finding out a guy she has been chatting with on yahoo who she was going to go meet in Texas(but we stopped her) is also a fake.

She found out on the same night. Instead of being 26 and a multiple he is a 56 year old married idiot taking adavatage of a sad teen's on line and we are going to find him.

Elaine is pretty pissed at the worlds right now and as you may see we have a post up while she finally sleeps to maybe help with her.

She rarley if ever sleeps so after today and all the confrontations she finally conked out. We know she is depressed and we could tell by the way she reacted to this that something else was going on.Bigger

She is ususally a pretty level headed good kid but got caught making some very bad choices and acted out last niht in a way that is unacceptable. So we will allow her when she awkes up to get on and I think and the others do it would be good for her to talk to another female her exact age who is multiple.

Thanks for responding to her. We think you two would hit it off well , we'll make sure she gets this. If we dont talk to you before the Holidays here's wishing you a great Holiday and Amazing Grace & Peace
Toni& Mosaic House Gang

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Hey yah Toni and Gang

I only got a few minutes. So well I said all that stuff and totally didn't know she'd been checking out the dude's website and talking to him or whatever for 3 something years. Now that way sucks!

I still say what I said before but I think it just sucks way worse when you've got communication and relationship and time and some trust so ya thought built up and ya know stuff like that.

Ya didn't ask me but that never stopped me from saying. I think the whole crap with your ex-therapist and all that hurt and betrayal and all that mega stress on top of those two whammys of betrayal of trust tonight probably like f'd her up pretty bad. So like yah her behavior wasn't cool to the body and stuff but like don't forget she's probably mega stressed and hurting way bad. I mean I don't know cuz I don't know her like ya'll but ya know that's what I think about it.

Oh and as far as I'm concerned I don't got parents either. It's Julie's mother and father. But like Julie's brother and nephew are like mine too. So like I'm cool with saying our brother and our nephew but it is only her/Julie's mother/father (sometimes I slip and say the mother/father) but I don't have parents. I showed up at 17 years but I have access to some data before then. I just don't have parents. I know it makes no damn sense and I'm not a walk-in. I mean it makes no sense and totally not logical that I don't have any freaking parents and that they are Julie's parents but that Julie's brother and nephew are also *my* brother and nephew. Like I share that with Julie but not her parents. And more so that I don't have *any* parents and yet how the hell logically can I supposedly be alive. Eh I'm just here and that's cool with me. I hate it when things make no logic or common sense but this is one exception I make and say to hell with it. I know they ain't mine and I don't have any parents and I don't need them either. Oh yah and I know all the psycho mumbo jumbo babble about it all how they are Julie's parents and all that and I can't deal with it or accept them as mine and all that jazz. Whatever. I know that ain't the deal for me. They sure as hell didn't raise me and her mother was no freaking mother when I showed up at 17 years old when the body was 17 years old. I just exist. And it's a damn good thing that I do cuz man I've done a lot for Julie and others here.

I totally got off the subject. Just like wanted Elaine to know I get not having parents but for me I don't want any or need any. So like maybe that's a difference between us. I don't know.

Yah same to you about the holiday thing. Julie would say it all better and so forth but I mean it just the same.

Billie

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I knew there was something abut there web counter I diddmet like either keeping track of how many visit. Big fat Lyers thnx Elaine

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Um.. guys... we have a web counter. A lot of people who run webpages and Livejournals have them. I don't think that's evidence in and of itself that something's rotten in the state of Denmark.

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Whatever, I just dont like them anymore because there not real and it makes me very mad. I removed there site from are favorites too. Thnx Elaine

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Good deal. Well, if anyone asks you about them, you can give the facts. They portrayed themselves to us as a male-body system with a couple of fellows and a few young girls. Sheesh!

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Hi its Elaine Nobody else is writing this. I just dont like them anymore there big Fakers and Brats and there not evan real and I hate the fakers Of this whole Big world "this Birthling" lives in, causeI dont have to stay here but I do too help and I am just vey mad, and there is no Bratz Pac with me tonight or even Serinna this is me ALONE being very angry Thnx Elaine

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