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Hello to all out there, My name is Elaine I am 16 tears old . I live with a large family in Tiea's house . She calls us The Mosaic Gang . Tiea has explained to myself and some of the other teenagers here we are not like other kids . And we aren't . We stay pretty hidden in the house . I guess I am expected to not get bored because there are other teens here and younger kids and a couple babies to care for. I have never beeen able to live for JUST ME This is the problem . I want my own frinds from the outside . Tiea does not want me speaking to her Dr about this for fear she will be percieved non functonal . This is not about Tiea its about me . Just me . Just me alone . I am old enough to drive . I want to get emancepated when I turn 17 . I want to go to College. Tiea promised along with Shelby they would find other teens for us to chat with , but we have friends we talk too .Tiea flips out when she finds out and says I am being a problem . We have had many meetings about ME! I want to go to the University of California . I want to live there . I want to study Holistic Medicine . I am very smart . She buys me books & then drugs me with sh**t that makes me feel like I wannna die . I know she is getting off it but she knows how I feel about Western Medicine . The Doc she sees and works with has had this hair brain idea to get all us teenagers together and "merge us " he says we will then be able to be free . But Tiea and Shelby and Toni and Joseph and Marty said , he did this once before with some family that did not agree and they never reached there goals , they dissappeared. Honestly some of you must have teens that want there own life ! Right? Well you cannot just keep them hidden and kidnapped for life Right . ? Also Tiea's friends on the outside are older including a miserable guy she saw for three years, who honestly took a liking to me and Kirsty and Shelly more . . I never told anyone this but like I have too. My first time was with a 50 year old jerk and against my consent . Joe showed up to get him off of me eventually but it was a little too late ya know .IT AGAIN was my fault I was suppose to be in my room. he friggin called me . I just wanna say something about this seems all wrong its one way, onesided. Its not fair its even abuse and neglect . I need socialisam with teens outside not just here . We have talked about this SO MUCH . Tiea just says we have "to understand we are a special family" I mean she is nice to us and lets us shop for what we want and listen to our music and watch MTV. She lets us go to Concerts .But she comes along, its embarressing. I speak for all the teenagers , we wanna go out to parties and the Mall , and get jobs our own money . I feel and know that I am very seperate from Tiea , but she says I am just a younger reflection of her and I will understand this as I get older. The teens voted and we do not want to "merge into whatever" ... we dont even know wtf the doc means. I feel stuck in a bad acid trip . I just want to take the car keys and start driving West and not look back .Kids go away to College all the time , I would come back for visits . The adults say "No you can study online and get a degree from home " and of course I am trouble . Everyone is so threatened by me here just wanting to be ME . Any communites for us ? Any ideas ? Thx4 listening, Elaine

Date: 2005-10-24 05:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eridanusus.livejournal.com
TOTALLY! I got my own livejournal like some of the others here, we also have a community for us so we can talk to each other in it but I left it so it wouldn't show up on my userinfo. Now I have my own journal with people who friended me without knowing me because of the others here and it's good. Also I was allowed to take a university course this year about Chinese civilisation, and as long as I got a B in it (which I think I did, but I don't have the results yet) I was allowed to pick a course for next year as well. I chose Chinese mythology, and another girl here wanted to do the course on modern China and communism, which means we ge to do two more courses on China. Which is good too. But I still don't have a whole day to myself ever, or money of my own to spend very often, or he appearance like I do on the inside. The body is white and I'm Asian. It has short brown hair I have long black hair. It's not fair but there's no way to leave.

Date: 2005-10-24 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eridanusus.livejournal.com
I should sign that sorry my name's Tian, I'm 16 too

Date: 2005-10-24 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eridanusus.livejournal.com
east coast america is probably... like 16 hours behind us? I can't remember but something like that. Night
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From: [identity profile] eridanusus.livejournal.com
Ha I bet they were just trying to be nice about me. Apparently Kei was talking to one of her friends on Saturday and when she said she got on with me he gave her a really funny look. He thinks I'm stand-offish. Sorry the body is white, inside I'm Chinese but I don't speak the language. I wish I did but we don't have time to learn it next year because we're taking Latin, and then over summer which is in a year's time I think we're taking Greek, and then that year after that we'll take another language, so maybe Chinese. We like learning languages, and the Latin and Greek are for the Classics degree, because that's supposed to be our major. We've taken all sorts of courses though like Chris took Shakespeare a couple of years ago, and a Religious Studies course on eastern religions like Hinduism and Buddhism. I'd really like to learn herbal medicine too, and I think Datharin wouldn't mind that, but the university here doesn't offer anything like that.

Since we went all through high school and we got good marks on our final exams was how we got into university. If you get all passes you can get into basically any university in the country, which is awesome, and I think it's quite a lot cheaper than American universities too.

My inside parents don't live at front. They don't actually live in Eridanus, which is the name of our country, they live over the border through a pass in the mountains. Me and Merlin were both born there but during the last proper war we and Jessiah and Miranda, who's a centaur and really lovely, all escaped and got rescued and brought here. So Datharin looks after me, and he has four other kids: Keilah, Chris, Christopher and Becca, who lives with Nara and Ramon in a different village.

That's pretty sad about Toni's girlfriend. The body here is female and Datharin's had a couple of girlfriends (two I think, and they were both a bit psycho), and Chris and Rache and possibly some others (we don't have a good track of who was around when in our teenage years, and don't remember anything before high school) had boyfriends, but right now we don't really date at all. But around all the people we know it's okay for girls to date girls and boys to date boys, and most of them know about us inside. We started telling people about two years ago and now pretty much everyone is okay with it. We live with the body's family and they know too, sometimes someone will talk to different people about different things or whatever.

Okay now I have to get to bed too, it's 11.23 here. We're in New Zealand which is 12 hours or so ahead of England.

Date: 2005-10-25 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
What do you mean, "have color"? Do you mean a different layout?

You cannot do an lj-cut within a comment. The only time you have to worry about lj-cuts are when you are making a post. Comments don't need lj-cuts because they don't show on community main pages or people's friendlists.

Date: 2005-10-26 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
Color is color; layout is the way the text and links of your livejournal are arranged on the screen (http://www.livejournal.com/customize/) There are several different layouts you can choose even without a paid account, and you can choose your own color schemes. With a paid account you can create your own original or custom styles. The process is a bit complicated.

You can find out all about how to change your layout here:
http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=7

You will find that lengthy uncut posts are not a good idea on any community. However, a comment is not a post. The idea behind an lj-cut is to keep it from clogging up the main community page and people's friendlists. A cut reroutes your text to the Read Comments page. You can't cut a comment; there's no place to cut it to.

Date: 2005-10-24 11:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melange-fiesta.livejournal.com
It seems to me that you're having trouble accepting that you live in a multiple system, and not in your own separate body. The fact is that you're not going to get to do everything you want. You have other people with needs and desires living in the same body, and the body can only be in one place at a time. If the majority of the body is against going anywhere, or possibly the one with the most "control", you won't be going. There is no way you can drive off to college in a different city or state and not have it affect the lives of the adults.

It's not that you're really threatening, per se... it's that you won't cooperate with the group at all. You are a separate person, but you are irrefutably stuck in the same body with quite a few others, including adults. Frankly, you're just going to have to learn to live with that, and make some compromises. Maybe the adults in your system can take you on some trips or something.

Date: 2005-10-24 11:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melange-fiesta.livejournal.com
If the majority of the system is against going anywhere, not body. :/

Date: 2005-10-24 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spookshow-girl.livejournal.com
The fact is that you're not going to get to do everything you want.


I've yet to meet someone who does.

There are systems in which people will work damn hard to help someone else in the system go places they have negative interest in venturing themselves. Compromise does go both ways.

--Me

Not cool to wear down the adults

Date: 2005-10-25 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaga-system-.livejournal.com
All she would have to do is step aside a little were going to wear them down . Its our right .

I'm 17, F, and I do a hell of a lot for the so called adults in this system and deal with a heck of a lot of kids in this system. The kids ain't so bad now and I totally speak up for them and this system when nobody else is freaking listening or getting it.

But like I totally don't think its cool to go on about wearing down the adults cuz it is your freaking right to do so and get what ya want. That like could really screw up the body's life big time and like get people thinking you're crazy and unfit and crap like that. Well Tiea that is cuz that's her legal name. I guess it all depends on how you're gonna do it. Like maybe ya could do it and not screw up the body's life with like job, apt, money, and crap like that while ya try to set things up to get what ya want by wearing them down. Either way I think it's a crappy ash way to go about it.

Yah so I've done a hell of a lot and compensated a lot for Julie and the other adults and like just a lot. I'd like to like totally tell her mother off but like I know that would f-up Julie's life right now and so I chill and just vent and bitch to Julie and my gang in here and some of Julie's friends and in our journal.

Oh and like maybe it will be different for you or whatever but I gotta say this is what I've experienced. I like have been behind the scenes a lot in Julie's adult life. I mean like yah sure I watch and am around and will come out front or share front but like I ain't been the main one responsible for her life and done all the main fronting freaking ash crap that goes along with it. And like I tell ya just the crap I gotta deal with in our world on top of the crap in this earth world well like dang, it freaking wears me out. And like way totally draining and a big PIA having to be out front and take care of regular life stuff in a major way like the Julies System does or hahaha choak tries to. Although I gotta say they do their best and like ya know are figuring crap out- just freaking slow in doing it. So like it ain't all that totally easy like it seems right now to be a main fronter handling all the crap in life. And since it sounds like you've been behind the scenes and sort of like out front or whatever when ya can that like well ya ain't necessarily all that used to main fronting a heck of a lot AND being the main one responsible for life going cool and how tiring that can freaking ash be. So like it could be different for ya but I'm just saying what I think.

Oh yah and yah want to go live in a dorm and whatever. Um like I don't totally know about it so maybe I'm the one off my rocker but uh Tiea's body and the body you share is like in the 40's or something. And I don't even know if some 40 year old can be in a dorm and even so it's gonna make the Tiea the world sees think she's freaking crazy acting like a freaking 16 year old. I mean like that's what I think. Maybe I like way watch out for that in Julie's life way too much and it like doesn't really f'ng matter what people think. It's just like well it ain't realistic to me all that ya want, but hey at the same time I'm like whatever cuz it's your life and Tiea's life and like it ain't really my business. I'm totally serial- it's your deal and your system's deal so like whatever is what I say.

Julie didn't get the whole dorm experience in her life. That's what she and some others wanted but it ain't how life worked out for us. And like it freaking sucks and it is like regret and grief and well whatever we marched to our own drum in life. But some crap we just gotta suck it up and try to figure out some other way to get like the main deal we want. Like we did go to college for awhile but it wasn't the dorm experience and well like that's how it is and sometimes life sucks and is unfair but that's the way it is.

Billie



Re: Not cool to wear down the adults

Date: 2005-10-25 06:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaga-system-.livejournal.com
Would you mind if before bed we let Elaine read your post ?

Uh no offense but yah that was the point. Ya know for Elaine to read it.

Thanx for the whole mature deal. Yah I've like done a heck of a lot of changing and her T (therapist) was all telling Julie how I had done a lot of growing up. I just ain't as impulsive and give people a little bit more of a chance before I get pissy about something. That and other things.

It's never been my deal to put unhealthy demands on Julie. Except like to sometimes bitch about something and tell her if she doesn't take care of it I'm gonna do it and I will do it my way and not as nice and girly and sweet as her. I like totally tell crap how it is and I guess people say I got rough edges and Julie is like way the opposite. I'm just freaking assertive and way opinionated. I'm working on not being so rude to people cuz really I think a whole lotta other things but it ain't cool to always say them exactly how I think them.

Yah Julie like has gotten way better about me. She totally gets all that I've done for her and do for her and she totally tells me now that she loves me. Like a "You Rock" love deal. And I totally know her friends totally think I'm way cool and ha I know it myself. It's way better now that Julie knows more about me and appreciates me more and like I just get how she deals with things more and I guess accept it or whatever. I mean it's like way better now that I've been letting Julie know more about crap and not blocking so much from her and letting her know more about me and teaching her things that I can do that she sucks at. She knows it so I can say it and I ain't dissing her- just telling it like it is. Anyway, so yah it would probably be way good if ya tell Elaine more about how cool she is and all that.

And yah I know what it is like to have some way strong qualities that totally help and yet can totally get ya in trouble. Been there done that and getting better at sort of seeing the points the Julies make to me and where I gotta chill some and yet still be me cuz I way gotta be me.

So it sounds like you're trying to work a compromise or something with the online classes and stuff. That's good.

I'm glad our system isn't set up for grounding and things like that. I think our system would have a revolt or something. I don't know cuz like our system needs some work and changes on it so who knows what we'll come up with and how the outcome will end up being.

So like maybe we'll talk or whatever. Honestly your system seems like way different than ours and it's just kind of weird to me. I just don't get something about it but then again I don't know what it is exactly I don't get. It ain't really a big deal. It's probably my deal anyway. I'm just saying is all. Plus too we like are way inconsistent in our online communications so who knows.

Billie







Re: Not cool to wear down the adults

Date: 2005-10-25 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spookshow-girl.livejournal.com
And I don't even know if some 40 year old can be in a dorm and even so it's gonna make the Tiea the world sees think she's freaking crazy acting like a freaking 16 year old.


Age is but a number. Although there may be tendancies in certain age demographics, it's not a hard and fast rule, and noone should feel pressured to comply, so long as you handle your responsibilities.

In other words, so long as work get's done, bills get paid, and crimes don't get committed, it's noone's fucking business how old she acts.

--Me

Re: Not cool to wear down the adults

Date: 2005-10-25 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaga-system-.livejournal.com
Yah I get what you're saying Spookshow Girl. I really do.

This similar deal of body age and me taking over as main front and just crap like that with different circumstances like came up this last week or two with us so I guess I'm mixed up about some crap and it got all mixed in there to Elaine cuz I know I said both things to her--like it didn't really matter what people thought and stuff like that. Anyway, Thanx.


And Elaine, I didn't mean to be rude to ya. And actually like I get now that our crap sort of got put into what I was saying to ya and so I'm sorry if that like bugged ya. I think it would be good if ya guys could work something out and make some plans together and stuff like that instead of having this battle of wills or whatever. But hey, I know it ain't easy to do.

Billie

Plans

Date: 2005-10-26 06:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaga-system-.livejournal.com
Hey

Yah a SW with Holistic Medicine would rock! Maybe like you can come up with a plan and steps to do it and the adults can come up with their own plan and steps and how they envision it and like then ya talk and work it out so ya end up with a plan that everyone can deal with and be ok with ya know. I can totally tell ya got passion. I know what that's like and it sucks to have major passion and not be able to follow it and do what ya want and stuff like that.

Totally off topic. I like figured out I had better not use bold around here cuz it don't seem to be cool. It's way hard for me to not do it but I can get over it. It's cuz whenever I write online I always bold and change my font and whatever when I write. I gotta get an icon one of these days. So anyway I'm like gonna deal with it and not bold no more here and so I wanted to say that I normally do it and it didn't mean nothing else.

Austa-
Billie

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Date: 2005-10-25 06:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spookshow-girl.livejournal.com
Hey, you can call me Spookshow, for now. I'm around my 20's.

Is there any way to get the education you want, without making the move? Is there any reasonable approximation, even if just for the time being?

--Me

Date: 2005-10-24 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-nanonyan.livejournal.com
I just wanna say that I don't think it's fair cause it doesn't sound like you get a fair chance for anything. It sucks and everyone should have a voice and if you don't like something then you should have a right to say so.

It's not fair to "merge" everyone because you might not even belong together, you know?

I'm really sick right now and don't know what to say. You can read more about my family at [livejournal.com profile] familymembers and you can email me at the one in my info and hopefully we can chat when I feel better and get back from the trip I'm on.

Date: 2005-10-24 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
17 here. Where I come from kids & teenagers often take what earth people would call adult responsibility at early ages. 12 is legal age, in places that even have legal age for things. Children are listened to there especially in government. It is not like that in the earth world because things and situations here are very different.

One thing you can have that we have, is consensus. The adults in your group need to not just tell you no with "because I'm the adult & I say so." They need to give you adequate reasons that you understand and which are not bull. Once they are listening to you, You need to lay out a definite realistic plan for your returning to school and getting a better education to get a different job with better pay. (You understand we have Bush now and your plan may not be easy, or even possible because of what he has done to the economy.) Then you work something out that is somewhere between what you want and what is actually possible.

Date: 2005-10-25 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
The whole part about Tiea wanting to go along with what the doctor says, blows my mind. He has shown he isn't very competent. You saw what Jaga & ^Andy & others said. A lot of drs. who work with plurals today believe it is better to have cooperation than a dictatorship where they have a main person and all have to follow what the main person says, or everybody smushed together which is bull. Those do not last. But he didn't tell her that did he. Even the famous ones, Sybil and so forth, did not stay integrated.

They always tell you it's your hormones. Sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't and that's the truth.

If you start a teen community I might look in on it.

I like Dave Matthews when he plays with Neil Young. Neil is one of my heroes. John Fahey & my cousin Gabe are my other ones.

Mostly it is better to work with adults and not against them. You got to convince Tiea what you want is real & can work.

On Laura a person like you who felt called to be a healer would be in Guild Chan ages ago and no one and nothing could have stopped it. The guild becomes your family. The thing is you're plural. Well you don't have to belong to just 1 guild. Jason is in 3 guilds and has led two of them. He's 19. When a person is plural in my world they work it out. We have plurals in govt.

But the earth world is different and your situation is different. But just like on Laura it all begins with cooperating and listening to each other. Not just "I'm in charge and the rest of you stfu". L8r dude

Date: 2005-10-30 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
go to www.freewebs.com/tim_white if you are bored

Date: 2005-11-02 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lovefromgirl.livejournal.com
Hey, I noticed you were from Rochester, too. :-) If y'all want a compromise on the college thing, why not try MCC part-time?

Cally

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