A discussion about systems with demons

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi My name is Shelby,

I live in the House of the Mosaics with Tiea who I guess some would say is the originalperson ( but we kinda all think were the original).

Tiea is terrified of demons and "walk ins" and On Oct9 ( the anniversery of her Moms death thought she was experiencing a walk in of her dead Mom . and she did her first post. the post turned out to be whacky cause she wrote like she was being chased .

Whenever somone in the community says they have a demon with them she runs and hides and starts making House call later to check if we are also .

Someone else in the community suggested she ask the community those that have demons what there experience of them in system is . Like Can they haunt you or posses you or cause you to do something you dont want to? Or put a curse on you . What do they do > Why are they called demons ?

Are they spooky goolish , or mean?

Ok the reason we ask is we had a rouph experience when Tiea shared she was plural with her Church ...That led to a huge meeting with all the elders and deacons and Bishop keeping us in the office for almost a day with at first them praying for us . Then its hard to talk about but they started pleaing The Blood Of Jesus over the body and trying to deliver us, asking us our names, and if we told them ,they would tell us to go to our Father satin and straight to Hell and leave Tieas Body .

After about 16 hours of this with them all speaking loud in tounges and laying hands on us all( touching us ) trying to knock us over telling us we were evil we all fraeked out and Tiea was exsahasted and scared and she left and one of the babies started wailing in fear and was on the ground in fear and none of us wanted to take the front except Toni who helps the babies and she got violent. They prayed louder and called a hospital which led to us spending 3 days in a locked ward trying to establish communication again and being thrown out of the Church .
Nobody could fellowship with us. We were considered evil . Because of the hospitalization Tiea lost her kids for Two Months .

Then the family finding out we were plural thought the kids should not live with us .

We all worked , payed taxes and took care of the kids fine but we really had to prove ourselves . If Tiea changed her mind or had a mood change they thought she was another alter. Like one of us I guess but we were zipping our mouths. Everyone also thought Tiea never knew what she was doing and they would try to say she did things, Like we did things and she did not know. This was not true at all. . Jade and I and Everyone always communicated fine till they tryed to deliver us. Well so Tiea is terrified of Demons and" walk ins" . But we have a Lion she loves . If anyone feels like sharing what there demon people are like we
would appriciate it .
Thanks a bunch, Shelby

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[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Didn't we tell her that in the olden days a demon or daimon was a good thing to have around? In the times of Greek Mythology it was believed everyone had one or two. They inspired or warned you to do things or not do them. Jay says they gave you best-case and worst-case scenarios. Gabe says it was sort of the Greeks' way of saying the "still small voice" in the Bible.

Walk-ins don't work that way. What she's worried about is being haunted, by a ghost. everytime she feels that way she should say "Mother you can rest now. Go and find peace." Andy says anyone who is worried about evil can say the Michael Prayer. Nothing evil can stand up against Archangel Michael, that is what he is there for.

P.S. We hate church for the reason that the story you told has happened to many people that said they were plural to their church elders. It was on TV and everything. Gabe says God is not really like that. Church is not God. Church is people thinking they know what God is like and they are wrong.

Oh I get what your saying Tiea does to

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi Ok Tiea has been reading in archives and studying demons and is still a little confused. But everything takes her a while .. we just wait it out . Out of respect. cause once she getsa concept she really gets it .

But I get what your saying , I think its just because there being called demons instead of otherkin or spirits like we think we have a spirit called Manessah cause it is niether male or female and has no body we can see but we feel ZPeaceful when Manessah is around

The thing about Church is some Churches will say "Yeah we are plural we were created as God Three in one. Others will say that we people, like our family are demons, and since it gets so much bad press, demons that is , why call them demons ? Tiea is afraid to talk to her Mother at all being dead but thanks for the reminder of Micheal the Arch Angel not any angel could fight Micheal he was most powerful.

I write to Mom all the time at home and am aware when she is around. Sheis a restless Spirit we believe cause she fought death and was killed I tell her to go visit God and Frank Sinatra and ELVIS to mingle get to know Moses . But Tiea gets angry with me when I do that, shes funny that way. She is learning allot reading and from the community . I think losing the kids really affected us all bad it was not done by a Court or Child welfare just family came and took them and convinced her we had to leave so we stayed as qiuet as we could till kids came back.

The kids have abandment issues but are older, but no harm because of us. Just the usual post teen angst "when we were young you did this or that" which we did and had goodreason to like time outs , grounding them , the usual. No car!! Thats a killer. A parent can be thrown in jail for that these days Gosh thats sounds OLDeven for me Im'36 Thanks Shelby

Thanks I think she gets it sorta

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

I got a ton of writing and reading to do and Tiea wants out BAD she is not so in a good mood but we told her what you all said . Shes thinking hard about the differnce between evil demons and good for ya demons . But thanks so much. Every bit helps

I'm running to House of Guitars before they close to get some lyrics Tiea wrtes music , sings plays keyboards , piano , harmonica and violin we back up sing . Shes been playing the same song on the gutiar all night, I mean all night so I am going to get some composing material. I feel a jam session comming on . Or a 2 am A ..Ha moment when it all comes together Peace Goodnight Shelby

[changelyng14.livejournal.com]

we have two members who sort of identify with being a demon. i dont think either of them beleive they are one, they just kinda relate or something, its kinda over my head.

we have one member who might actually be a spirit. hes definately not human though. its pretty rad watching him use the mind.

I have no opinion on god, or god stuff. cupies for you if you do. but if I were in your shoes, id want to know why my church was trying to 'make' me single, when clearly, god made me multiple.

I would also find it very rude if a church tries to exorcise me. I feel i have a right to be here as much as anyone else in my system does.

while i dont usually promote 'being normal' it occasionally comes in handy. particularly if youre people are having trouble being treated and acknowledged as people, and in child custody.

in our system, we have a treaty arranged where our 'wierd' people don't front in a number of situations. including work, school, family dinners, public, etc.

people that want to be capable of this level of life, get help and support from us in developing more 'normalized' behavior, and passing for the 'act' that we take turns playing.

if your system has any strong responsible people that can handle public stuff, and find some understanding people, therapists, close friends, or whatever to whom your rest can interact with, you might have alot less of problems you were describing.

for what its worth, weve found that we 'normal out' the more we front directly and interact with people. but i don't know how your system works.

good luck whatever you do. and i didnt mind the red text :p

Candy Apple Red

That was helpful

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi Candy appple red ,

Thanks for not minding the red ha ha . Ok we were not at all acting normal when we were taken to the hospital cause Toni was protecting us and getting wild with church people . So I guess we appeared demonic or violent but 16 hours of being told to go to Hell no water one room all the loud laugueges messed us up .

We do feel through Tiea we have a ministry for marginalized people and we work at a Faithbased program.

We have four frontrunners who all anwser to Tiea We also are quite consistent on job . We save our communicating for when were home at our House , Some stay home when we go to work. It changes . We had a concensus of who could communicate with kids and answer to Mom .

We have a empowering Therapist who he tried fusion with us instead of integration . We paird off with likes and ages and interets but still we all have votes . We share rooms and chores . We have many outside friends .They think Tiea is just very flexable and tolerant and artsy .But thts because of US Now Tiea has her Christian friends , this time she explained us to a new Bishop who is cool with us as long as we get along and do not put the body at risk.

Or sin

But he still believes because of Tieas childhood trauma based we all are a part of Tiea so to him were not demons but were not people yet either just part of blocked off memories . Tiea is trying to educate him cause he is quite a eccclectic for real guy . In fact this particular Church seems to attract displaced people or marginalized hurting folks and the people show lots of acceptence and love . But I am surprised after the first experience with Churches she would even bring us to Church of any kind . This does make her happy .
Often we have mentioned we would preffer not to go to Church some like it though . Tiea has a awswome voice and plays the guitar with the band and sings too and plays piano and key boards so were being flexable just going along We help her write music, . like right now she is playing guitar along with Shyerl Crow and singing harmonizing So we can act"normal " most times too. We have a we think spirit and annimal also Thanks for sharing

[gryphons.livejournal.com]

Hmm.. not sure if you classify Demons= fallen angels.. we have a few who describe themselves as fallen angels.. they have helped a lot.. they've also done a bit a damage.

I can understand that

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi ,

Actually I am here now ,this is Tiea . I can understand Fallen angels , because we have some actual angels and one of my house mates, Celi explained it like this ( She's in a sisterhood order) well she is very spiritual and she said there is a whole world beside the Earth World there is a Spiritual World where demons and angels and beings fight and some protect us and some bother us but the fight goes on . A whole other World most of us cannot see.

What you just said put it together for me .

Like what if Some systems our just closer to the Spiritual World or aware of it? like Celi and Gabe from asterea told me to call on Micheal the Arch Angel if afraid so I feel more centered and protected , and like all night I have been writing a song about a angel and originally there were good angels and bad angels and the Churches just changed the fallen angels to demons but they were angels so I can relate to them now as all just angels with different moods or behaviors I'm glad your angels have helped you, ares always have been mellow so far .
Thanks for sharing, Tiea

[newmoon17.livejournal.com]

Eek, how awful! Kind of the reason I do not tell my church or family I am a multiple..

Though really, it is kind of ironic. God is a multiple, to churches who believe in the trinity. And I doubt they think He is demon possessed!


A couple of those in my system thought they might have been demons at first, but are not really sure. But then most of that comes down to s wondering if demons can read thoughts, cause we were always taught they could not, but Corda at least was fairly sure she was one. But not anymore, so I guess the point is moot. Now we all consider ourselves human.

about The trinity

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi its Shelby ,

I cant remember if I answered You . But this is what the New Church and Bishop said when we told him he also has a heavy Pych background But like I was just telling Black angel he asked we just keep this between him and his wife .

Like doesent really wnat to meet us just Tiea but then uses all our abilities .


Its weird Jade is thinking of a strike for working so much extra at Church , It wears us , some of us down and the booy with work too and then we get screwed up with time . Some of us have Lupus and Fibromyalgia and crash and burn easy with flare ups .

But definatley we feel we were created in Gods Image 3 in one or Plural theres just more of us , hey and God is Huge thats only the Three he shared with us . Ya know , Peace Shelby P..sst I am looking up Moot. I love the sound of saying that word !

[blackwing-angel.livejournal.com]

I'm very sorry for your experiences. I've never had anything like that happen to me, and I think it is a complete travesty of both the medical profession and the church when they do such stupid things without thinking. First off, posession is extremely rare, and if a normal every day church member or priest decides to do an exorcism without the validation of a higher ranking church member and/or without an exorcist there, he can get into serious trouble within the church itself.

Other than that, don't worry about demons. I would venture to say that 90% of all spirits (meaning anything that is not corporeal) are either neutral to humanity or positive to humanity. Only the rare 10% are hostile without provocation. Even so, posession cannot happen without an invitation of some sort or another. This could be through hypnosis, trance-like states, subconscious suggestions... Anything. But it doesn't happen all that often. As a multiple, I have experienced a time when I felt that someone unwanted was within the system. It was kind of scary, though I don't entirely remember what happened when she was there. I know that when my little, Bubbles, came to, my fiance was holding her by the throat and she started crying as hard as she possibly could. It was a weird situation, but it didn't last for long, and she's not come back since then. So yes, it is possible, but I'm a sensitive, so I'm usually more susceptible to things of a spiritual nature.

But I say it again... Don't worry. Have faith in yourself, in god, in whatever you want, but the stronger the faith you have, the less the spirits can bother you. Keep strong.

Thanks Black Angel

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi Its me Shelby ,

Finally Home long night , Thanks so much for your post , Yeah ya know I think from what I remeber Tiea thought they were gong to help us all, get a plan down to get along better by praying But That is definatly not what it turned into .

The Church were in now is ok The Bishop has told us its best to keep it between us and him and his wife if we have any needs. I ve observed them to be nice to Tiea , But at times a I feel they take advantage of us knowing Tiea writes music and can sing and Celi and Christina are administrative whenever they have a Comittee or Conferenve , or like the Holiday Season They come asking for are collective help .


Its hard to make Tiea understand we feel used and then in Church only she can make friends. Joanna is a artst like Tiea and does all the sound and aviation and set up for them and allot during drama like scenery and costumes .

Celi gets them grants and does proposals and Marketing and Sponsership stuff. Ya know and then they dont want to meet us. If they need Social Work Recourses they go straight to Tiea too

What do they think Tiea is doing all this herself? They always commnent on Tiea octaves and the ability to sound like she is harmonizing with herself well its us ...Tonight we were all jamming at Church with the new songs we helped Tiea write . She is not as afraid of a demons since she has been reading and getting comments.

I think as much as she is a walk in of her Mother and being accused of being demonic . So we are her big secret . The family thinks sshe is mostly integrated cause were not allaowed to comeout and talk just observe and we answer to Tiea , just like at Work She does have a strong faith . Some of us though definatly do not trust any Churches or Mds .

Thats wild what happened to you . I am glad you had someone there with you when that girl got violent in your system . I wish you well with her and As always Keep whatever faith works for you. Trust and believe. CC which is short for Celi says "May the force be with you" She is hysterical after a couple glasses of wine . We stopped off at our cousins after Church and she does not tolerate well and floats around the front bumping into us.

Ya all can imagine it gets hectic and loud when we finally get to our House. Everyone is trying to say something here so I'll sign off. Nice meeting you all. Thanks a Bunch ,
Shelby

Re: Thanks Black Angel

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi its Shelby ,


I just realized I called you Black Angel Sorry I meant Black wing
angel.. A slip of the key pad I wonder what Fraud would say ? So sorry Thanks for your post hope we chat again .
Peace < Shelby

Re: Thanks Black Angel

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

"A slip of the key pad I wonder what Fraud would say?"

I just caught this. ROFLMAO!

[talawolf.livejournal.com]

How can ordinary priests try to perform an exorcism without the authority of an exorcist? Let alone, permission from a higher ranking church member? That's against church doctrine, is it not?

[blackwing-angel.livejournal.com]

Yup.

[talawolf.livejournal.com]

Bah, Blackwing beat me to it.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

To say the very least. However, this does not seem to have taken place within a catholic context, but rather jadedmosaic was a victim of deliverance activity.

http://members.aol.com/MinEncourg/MinDelivrDID.htm
http://www.demonbuster.com/index2.html
http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/armydaimon.html

This has been going on for centuries, but has come to the attention of the media lately because of the deaths (primarily of children) which have occurred during such so-called exorcisms.

Pentecostal Old time

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi ,

Its Shebly ,

Although Tiea was baptized Catholic and went to Catholic Scools she switched first to Mormon ( That was the pits ) with The word of Wisdon we need our coffee and green tea :-) Then to Penticostal like I mean Old Time Mothers of the Church and so forth and The Bishop is rather well known now on a channel called TBN he is well respected .

He truly believed he could drive the devil out of Tiea the devil being us . They called a "Shut in Prayer meeting" . Where people stay overnight a, as long as it takes to get a break through and they only know when it has happened .

I think your thinking of a Catholic or Methosdist or Presbetarian Church .

These were Pentecostal non denominational . I really think if Toni dident come get the kids and Baby Clare and flip out so much ( she was raging) at these people for scaring all the kids and wearing down Tiea cause they were all pushing her trying to make her be slain in the Spirit ,

It made us all very dizzy it was a trance like feeling all the noise and once Tiea started craying Baby Clare started wailing, so Toni went off on them bad . But that landed us in the back of a ambulence. Not the Church we go to now the first Penticostal Church . I think those Penticostals can do anything they want under the guise of cousnling or prayer , they did with us . Peace Shelby

Re: Pentecostal Old time

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi This is Shelby ,

I understand what your saying about Kir we have a few dark mooded people. I think Tiea herself and Tiea Maria definatly feels there cursed they are superstitious too. I think there Mothers beliefs wayed heavy on them . When Toni first came on the scene in 1987 she was terrably violent in threats to anyone who would be a threat to us even if that was Tiea herself .

She wasent violent to hurt anyone she just had alot of adrenelene ,
She would tear magazines (thick ones ) shred them with her hands which helped Tiea colage and declopage ha ha, but then she moved on to Busting Dishes shredding telephone books and bending knives it seeemed to be a hand thing. We had to get her exersising Out in the air running works for her and weight lifting and a game called paddle tennis which is real intense Marcus taught her he's from a German background and its huge there it was hard to find leagues in the States .

Its where one or doubles plays on a court at night in the freezing cold like tennis but the ball is differnt so it spins differnt and is fast. Real Lighning Fast Were all gearing up for it now by dressing in layers and running at night when it gets colder.

We all thought about a law suit and had three cousins that were attournys but are experience with them was worse cause once we were in the hospital that 3 days tehy are the ones thinking the kids should be with them till they understood the diagnosis more .

This only made us all more depressed. By the way the Bishop Came up to the ,locked ward asking if we wanted prayer more Toni Kicked him.

I think somebody was saying something like this was on TV and is common out . I can speak for us all as we would like to know about that .
I think theres a movie out a bout a women that died during a excorsism she had a seizure and they did not get medical help Now thast sad .

WE just cant relive it But we have thought of it allot . Thanks Peace Shelby

Re: Pentecostal Old time

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

The film has little to do with what really happened. (http://paranormal.about.com/od/demonsandexorcism/a/aa090505.htm)

"I think somebody was saying something like this was on TV and is common out . I can speak for us all as we would like to know about that ."

If you're talking about Robert Oxnam, a review of that book and many others can be found at
http://www.karitas.net/pavilion/library/library_media.html

See also
http://thosethatwalk.tripod.com
http://www.dreamshore.net/amorpha/faq.html
http://www.dreamshore.net/amorpha/myths.html
http://www.karitas.net/courts/
http://www.karitas.net/blackbirds/layman/
http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/faq.shtml

Re: Pentecostal Old time

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

I knew what you meant. Check the links I posted.

It's a real scandal, and many people are concerned with the behaviour of these so-called righteous, God-fearing people.

Re: Pentecostal Old time

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi its Shelby ,

Although Tiea is singing TOO loud and Celei wants the front to post,

Friday nights are always like this . I saw the links. Thanks. I am going to copy and paste them in our book mark thingy "favorites" is what I mean. The reason we wanted to know is the Bishop that did this is now famous on TBN . I just wonder if he has any complaints out after him . ya know skelitons in the closet or we were his only targets we tend to doubt that cause they think any Mental illness, Epilepsy , some medical conditions are considered possesion a demon under every rock sorta thing.

But we have no complaints of TBN we watch it, Take the good leave the bad . We think Penticostal Churches are more dangerous for anyone with a "mental illness" cause there is NO authorurity ...they can do whatever wheras had this been a Catholic Church ,There would have been a chain of command they had to follow Um I think anyways Thanks a bunch Shelby and the Mosaics

[elenbarathi.livejournal.com]

I thought Kír was a demon when he first 'woke up' in 1971 - he was dark and violent and terrifying, and I didn't have any other frame of reference than 'demonic possession' in which to try to understand him. As it turned out, he was hurt and scared and in despair and woefully confused, with no more understanding of what had happened or why than I had, and my being so terrified of him only made things worse for him.

He's definitely not a demon - "walk-in" probably is the closest description - but it took a while to figure that out. He is more 'haunted' than 'haunting', troubled by memories of his past, and tends to get into dark moods where he believes he's cursed - less these days than he used to, though. He is a good, kind and thoughtful person, and the only thing he tries to make us do that we may not want to do is be more responsible. *grins*

After what Tiea's been through, I'm surprised she's terrified of demons rather than of the people who put her through it. And BTW, if you were held against your will for 16 hours, no water, etcetera, that's grounds for at least a lawsuit, if not criminal charges, so you might want to talk to an attorney.

I replyed wrong Sorry

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Whops sorry the post above you is to you we hit the wrong reply. Sorry so what I wrote above your post saying "Old time Penticostal " was to you , Thanks a Bunch sorry to Blank wing angel I think you got two comments , Time for music and coffee, Shelby and Tiea is awake and watching .

She doesnet trust the Internet yet . She is like "why dont we give our label to the whole Wide world" dummies ? I guess I get her point we try so hard to stay bottled up and here we are on the web .

But I think and the majirity of us feel it would do us good to meet others who understand each other . I mean there are Knitting Communities, and so forth , why not multiplicity ? Shelby

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

"Someone else in the community suggested she ask the community those that have demons what there experience of them in system is. Like Can they haunt you or posses you or cause you to do something you dont want to? Or put a curse on you . What do they do > Why are they called demons ? Are they spooky goolish , or mean?"

Actually they're none of the above. They can be some of the most powerful and helpful guardians.

We have known several people who include demons in their group. Also vampires, werewolves and so on. They are some of the nicest, most courteous people we have ever known. They respect us, and they exemplify self-respect. They are there, in many cases, because these people have been through deliverance activity -- the same deliverance activity you and your people went through. Lengthy prayer vigils and exorcisms which were supposed to do everything, from stop them being plural to cure them of autism. (Recently an autistic boy died in such an exorcism, and of course the preacher got off with a slap on the wrist. In such cases, a child is not likely to want angels for protectors.

A friend of ours calls them "defiant self-helpers" because they appear very fearsome, but to their own group they are life-givers. It's kind of like the gargoyles that adorn old Catholic cathedrals.

Once again, demons and walk-ins are not the same thing. We have several walk-ins in this group, two of whom are frontrunners (one of whom is Andy). They are human beings no different from yourselves. They came to us, and we adopted them in.

I wrote most of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk-in

I think I linked to it in a previous post, which may have been one of the ones you deleted. I hope this helps.

I heard about that kids awful

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hello this is Tiea ,

That was awful what happened to the autistic boy we have a autistic girl named Petunia . Well Toni named her cause she responds when Toni sings this song about ' lonley little petunion Petunia in a onion patch'

I like Andy and you guys have been real helpful .Thanks so much .
I have copied and pasted into a folder all links you have shared on reading material and have been reading ALLOT .

I was just going to ask about Vampires and you mentioned them

I think of myself as nocturnal and I have a hard time with the Sun cause of the Lupus but although I am aniemic I dont drink blood . Will I find vampires covered in the links ?

Do these vampires suck blood . ? I dont think we have any that doo that. Well thats not true I guess I diced my finger once chopping veggiies and sucked on my finger till I could get it under water .. I think you know what I mean .

Also there are some Progressive Penticostal like Churches out there getting away from the Old time Penticostal and being more non-denominational. I dont want to scare everyone away from Penticostalisam .

Just be careful about telling them your plural if you go. Also even if you share it with just one person that person will likely gossip under the guise of "Oh wow so and so needs prayer she said yada yada yada " So be careful in any Church But do Keep your faith in God however you percieve Him or Power to be that craeted and sustains your life .

Greetings and Peace to all Tiea

Demons and vampires, more info

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/armydaimon.html

Written by one of several helpful demons in a multiple system about the deliverance activity they went through, and how he will stand by his House no matter what. This group also has a lot of vampires, to answer your question, most of them would not drink blood in the outside world (the present reality, earth world) but would do that in their own world, or take energy instead, and in any case only with consent.

Being nocturnal and photophobic doesn't make you a vampire. The way we understand it, vampires need blood as a nutrient the way regular people need food, or vitamins. We haven't got any in our group though so that's about all we know.

Re: Demons and vampires, more info

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi its Tiea & Shelby ,

Well Shelby is helping me , ya know I dont think we have any Vampires either, or they would definatly share blood with the body .I know this sounds dorky but were just way too aniemic to have any or anything going on .


I read that artical from The ARMY it said right now there not taking e mails . I really wonder sometomes if vampires isent some pop culture fad thing that started with Barnabas Jones and Dark Shadows and continued with Buffy the Vampire slayer and even POrt Charles and General Hospital who had one on the 2 soup operas.


Shelby says I worry about anything that might be considered evil cause bio Mom was always calling us pure evil. The sooner October is over the better we'll all be .

Thanks for the link .

Do you know where , well a while back there was a song posted on this site called "sweet prospect" a 16th century hymm first the lyrics were posted then sombody posted where one could get the Cd then somebody posted the link to the song and when one clicks on it I could hear it ...It had allot of "Hallaluyahs" in it and Pipes and Chorus?? I wanted to play it for my Choir this week if anyone knows Thanks,, to all Peace To all Tiea& Shelby
PS .. We want to go next door to the House of Guitars and get some new Cds on sale tonight , They have sat nit only sales like 75%off its great lots of lines though

Well, bless your heart!

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

So you like Sacred Harp music! Well, I'll see what I can do here.

That song was not posted on this community. It was posted to our own livejournal and the link is as follows:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ksol1460/133638.html

The lyrics you see are for "Northport", and my sister (the comment underneath my post) has both "Northport" and "Sweet Prospect" available.

Jess was really proud of herself because she created the streaming audio for the two songs all by herself. I hope your choir enjoys the music and you can find out more about the Sacred Harp tradition at, http://fasola.org/

Thank you for asking!
Shalom,
Gabriel

Re: Well, bless your heart!

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi Gabriel,

Thanks so much . I was so new wondering around this site , had no idea where it was . I am glad you found it . I kept trying to describe it to Choral practice Thursday and Friday night. This is not the Kind of music we normally do but some of the others are involved in planning our Christmas Concert and WE all think it would be perfect with a bunch of angels hanging from wires acting like there singing ..

"The Scared Harp tradition Hmm it sounds so familier to all of us like we had heard it before somewhere , but it stays with you .

Thanks Jess for making a streamline link, I can't imagine doing that I still cant figure out LJ and that is sad . Thank You again , Shelby

P.S. I am heading over to the sale at House of Guitars a very popular music shop and see if they have it they have midnight till 2pm sales. Have a great night to everyone out there. Peace to all Shelby

More Sacred Harp

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Showers of blessing, very lively
http://www.astraeasweb.net/showersofblessing.ram
From the United Sacred Harp Musical Association
their album is "In Sweetest Union Join",
http://www.emusic.com has it if your record store doesn't
& the others are by Word of Mouth, "Rivers Of Delight"

Soft & hopeful for funerals, Parting Friends
http://www.astraeasweb.net/partingfriends.rm

& I'll link to the other 2 in case others are interested

http://www.astraeasweb.net/northport.rm
http://www.astraeasweb.net/sweetprospect.rm

http://www.fasola.org to learn about it.

Re: More Sacred Harp

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi Jess& asraea,

Thanks so much for the Sacred Harp links and music info . I'm going to go read about it now .

When I was looking at House of Guitars ,it was packed cause it was a Midnight Saterday sale and croweded and I wasent sure if it would be Choral , Christian , New Age or Folk or what to look under, but they ordered the Cd with "sweet Prospect" on it for me . Cause we all crammed on this and could not figure out how to get the Choir to all hear it from a link .

We had a friend try to get it off the link onto a Computer Cd that he could burn and he liked it so I orderd a CD for him too . It should be in by November sometime , meanwhile I keep dragging people in to my house from the Choir to listen to it off the link and memorize it .

Its funny everyone is like "I know this song "... and then nobody can quite place it , so it will be good to read about the group.

The Mosaics all sing allot and we have taped ourselves with some singing backup , it would be great if we could all sound as good as them but till then we can always dream Huh .? Markey thinks theres a trick to there sound like maybe it is electroniclly sythrosized , were not all in agreeement yet . Thank you so much for working so hard on this to bless others . WE love it

Peace and Blessings ,

Tiea & Shelby from The Mosaics

Re: More Sacred Harp

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

You would look under American Folk or American Religious. Least that's where I get mine.

The choir that recorded the "Sweet Prospect" song on the Rivers of Delight album which you ordered are the Word of Mouth Chorus, and you can learn more about them here:
http://www.northernharmony.pair.com/staff/larry.html

There is no trick to shape-note hymn singing other than the fact that the singers stand in a square rather than lining up, and the harmonies are different from those usually heard in church music. An actual Sacred Harp choir usually sound rougher than the Word of Mouth group. Listen to the stream of "Showers of blessing" that Jess linked to, above, to hear the United Sacred Harp Association -- their sound is much closer to what you would expect to hear in these small southern and south-midwestern churches.

Good luck!

Re: More Sacred Harp

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Hi again to astraea & to Jess ,

Oh my Gosh we are blown away , we thought , Oh we'll just read a article that will explain this earilly beautiful music . Did you have any idea how exshaustive the link you sent is this one? ....
http://www.fasola.org is ?WOW, WOW ,WOW , this is like a completely new world to us . All the history . The minute we read "Cold Mountain " we were like "yeah thats where we heard THAT SOUND , cause it is hauntingly ,peaceful, joyaus, contagious , familier sound . Thank You all so much ( Thanks Jess) we are passing these links on to the Music Dept at Church .

Markey totally remebers hearing The Sacred Harp music in the 80's and that is what this article one of them says is when the last time it was popular .. It really is "one of musics best kept secrets " We can't wait till "Rivers of Delight" comes in now. We can see now why they were sold out at House of Guitars, that carries EVERYTHING and it was expensive too $22.99 but worth it!!

We can't wait to get all this rich history to are Music Director were sure he has heard of them before but these articles are amazing specially looking up songs like a huge encyclopidia Were going bonkers !! Bouncing off walls , when it comes to music we do that .

We hope everyone will take the time to listen to this anchient rich in culture music .. We loved Cold Mountain too . We think were going to love North Country also . Were hoping for a good Sound track off that one too . Sometimes sound tracks are like the best music . We learned about "shape note "music but we barely touched on the history in Music classes . We always thought it was underdeveloped musical notes WILD Thanks again Peace & Blessings .

Tiea & Shelby from The Mosaics
P.S.
( the jumpy kids are so relaxed listening to this music even the ADD and ADAHD ones , so calm )better than a valium anyday! Evan Toni who is naturally hyper is chilling out to it, Thank You <<<<>>>>

Re: More Sacred Harp

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

You're very welcome. I'm surprised it cost so much. You can get it for under $10 at Amazon.

fasola.org has been around for a long time. They have really worked hard on it with all the cross indexing.

If your music director is interested, have him look at this:
http://www.originalsacredharp.com/

& this:
http://www.atlantasacredharp.org/

also
http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/~mudws/harp.html
http://pilgrimproduction.net/sacredharp/carrollton/chatahoocheeharp.html
(an entire album is on that site in streaming audio)

More later.

Re: More Sacred Harp

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi jess,
Thanks so much , we are busy copy pasting and sending these links all over the place and thanks for the amazon tip $10.00 huh? hymm.. I wonder why so expensive at House Of Guitars. I wonder if were getting a double CD or collection . That would be cool. Well I am going to tell the Choir director if we want to learn it we'll have to buy it so they can go to Amazon ,Thank You so much .

The cross indexing is incredable . I vaugley rememeber about choirs in a square's and shape notes in music classes. I'm sure that when are music director gets this stuff he'll be grouping us in a square with.altos here and sopranoes there it will be fun Thank You, Thank you After a really long day its nice to have nice lyrics to look at .

Almost on to Book 3 of the Minds of Billy Milligan , I wasnt crazy with book or part two I find it hard to believe anybody got free airline tickets by freaking out as much as he did ha ha Peace Jade Tiea & Shelby from the Mosaics

PS were going to research icons with our names on them ...This will were sure take another milliniam to figure out should be fun .

Re: More Sacred Harp

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

http://www.astraeasweb.net/showersofblessing.rm I wrote it wrong earlier

More from the United Sacred Harp Association:
http://www.emusic.com/album/10853/10853959.html

You are so very welcome. This music is a blessing to a lot of people. I do my house cleaning to it.

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I see demons as being like humans, in the way that not all humans are alike, not all demons are alike either. We have THREE in our system that claim to be demons. One of them is a really fun-loving guy and is Christian (how this works, I have no idea! Heh), the other is also fun-loving and wouldn't hurt a fly, and music is her life (she loves pop and rap music), and the other is a depressed little dear who cries a lot and thinks she's doomed for life.

I'm not a demon myself, and I don't really understand what makes a demon a demon. The demons in our system don't really act evil or curse people, and you probably can't even tell that they're demons! :) We also have one fallen angel, but he's a really nice guy and helps out when he can (he even blessed and purified the bedroom!) I don't think he's a demon though.

About demons and others birngs

[jadedmosaic.livejournal.com]

Hi, This is Tiea from The Mosaics,

Thanks for sharing your experience with those identifying themselves as demons.

We are all getting allot more understanding That a demon does not necesarilly have to be evil, or trying to harm The Mosaics Bio family and freinds. We do understand fallen angels .

Really now I am personally beginning to look at demons as all angels just living in differnt places, if I look at it from satin took one third of the angels with him and they were cast down to the Earth that would make sense. Yet I think if satin can speak to God like in the case of Job and go visit God in Heaven then angels can speak to God too and visit.

Anyways I am still trying to figure them out but not as worried as I was Your right I'm trying to figure out how a demon can be christisn too, Since Jesus said to cast them out why would they wnat to be christian at all? But like Jay from asterea was explianing they have a good meaning oin Greek Mythology .

I am going to read up on angels and demons in the Public Library . I dont know what makes a demon a demon either as far as some people feel a plural is either full of demons or a demon But I know I am not one as you know you are not one .

Were just people in a group with some pets and annimals too Like well, I guess this would be like it would be in Paradise or The New Kingdom or Heaven Everyone together.If that makes sense just all learning about each other and doing are thing .Thanks Peace Tiea & Shelby ( were writing together tonight ) Shelby is helping