Review of A Fractured Mind
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multiplicity_archivesA Fractured Mind starts off horribly, meanders into excruciating boredom, before turning out to be a surprisingly decent book. It’s the story of a very successful business man who was slowly destroying his life through drinking and bulimia. One day in therapy, the stereotypical angry alter comes out, shocking the therapist and leading us into the MPD diagnosis. Unlike most DID novels, the patented hidden child abuse memories do not compose the majority of the book. In fact, they’re only described in a brief, disjointed passage and referenced in a few other cases. The book is primarily about the people in the system and their memories of learning about each other. At the end of the book is a trite, vomit-worthy explanation from their therapist.
The book should be interesting for multiples. For the newly diagnosed, it will provide some positive things that they need to learn but could also be misleading. For singles, the book combats some stereotypes but creates and reinforces others.
The Good:
• Robert Oxnam is an extremely successful man. They managed to be fully self-sufficient before, during, and after therapy. He completely blows apart the image that all multiples are women incapable of doing anything but falling apart.
• Integration isn’t the happy ending. Robert Oxnam is three people working together as a team. They call it collaborative multiplicity.
• The person who initiated therapy voluntarily withdraws from using the body to allow someone else to be in charge. There are discussions about the hosts having changed over the years. There is no integration into the original person.
• There are sections of the book written by each person in the system from their point of view. The author does use the phrase “personalities inside me” but the book is clearly about a group with no one person being more real than anyone else.
• It was nice to read about a group learning how to communicate with each other. They do a good job of describing their inner world to the general public.
• “MPD is an explanation, not an excuse.” Page, 165
• “I feel my achievements may not have been in spite of MPD. Instead, they may be because of MPD” Page, 169
The Bad:
• Multiplicity is not the same as having different sides to your personality even if you throw amnesia into the mix. There’s no reason for the author to have bought into this idea so heavily. Very few of them were one dimensional.
• The first chapter is so boring! Bob goes into way too much detail about his family’s history of overachieving and his scholastic career. The rise of his career is equally dull but at least his work with New York’s Asia Society was relevant to the story-line. We did not need to know that Tom Brokaw used to call him to ask how to pronounce “Deng”. Name dropping continues to be a theme throughout the book.
• Integration isn’t the story ending but it does play a heavy role.
• They end up working together but there is still a lot of talk of suffering from MPD and being fractured. Multiplicity is never shown as anything other than an illness.
• Why must everyone reiterate how rare multiplicity and/or MPD is?
The Scary:
• This was Oxnam’s second attempt at writing a book about his experiences. News of the first book leaked out revealing publicly that he had MPD. He almost lost his job because some people were upset over him being multiple. It took the threat of lawsuit to secure his position.
The Puzzling Integration:
Supposedly Oxnam started as eleven ‘personalities’ and integrated into three by the end of the book. The claims of integration don’t really add up with the rest of the book, though.
• The first integration supposedly took place after an alliance was formed between three people. The main person wanted to retire into their inner world and the other agreed to take over with the third helping him. Somehow they progressed from an agreement to share skills to Bob and Robbey having integrated into Robert.
• Several of the chapters are from Bob’s point of view. Bob even states that he finds it very strange to be writing again after so long. This doesn’t really fit with the assertion that Bob integrated into Robert. Other supposedly integrated people also have sections from their point-of-view.
• Robert continually refers to the Bob-inside-him. “[I let] the Bob-part-of-me focus on the annual dinner while I gave new attention to working with Bobby.” It is unclear whether Bob is still performing certain actions but doing so through Robert without taking physical control of the body. The other possibility is that Robert began referring to anything he associated with Bob as coming from his Bob part.
• At one point they state: “Baby wasn’t dead. Baby had just told his horrible story and had retreated back into the Castle.” But later they claim that Baby was integrated into Robert. They also claim that Bob and Robbey still have their old places in the Castle.
• The therapist decides that Robert is a seven-sided merger. His logic is that two of the people linked with Bob and Robbey probably integrated with them during the alliance. He also assumes that the Librarian and Baby must be integrated because he doesn’t think anyone in the system will see them again.
• Towards the end of the book another integration via alliances takes place but the people who supposedly integrated appeared during an argument some time later. One is left to wonder whether any integrations occurred at all. Perhaps what they are calling integration has more to do with people withdrawing from the day-to-day life and agreeing only to act through certain people?
The Therapist:
• I really believe that Oxnam was able to pull their group together in spite of their therapist rather than due to his help. When they started therapy, a lot of them were unable to communicate adequately with each other. Instead of teaching them ways to reach each other, he made them dependant on him to act as an intermediary. Some of the people were abusive of each other but he blamed this all on their hidden trauma. Even once they’d produced this memory, he never worked with them to stop the abuse or to teach them how to respond to situations better. All cohesion as a group was developed by themselves. He taught them this distorted view of normal people and what it means to have different sides to your personality. He continually pressured them to integrate even once they’d made the decision against it. That’s not even mentioning his stupid explanation about DID at the back of the book.
“Bobby,” said Dr. Smith, “why can’t you see that life could be even better if you linked up with Robert?”
“Sure. Lots better. Robert gets my energy and fun. And I get to be in my late fifties. I get forty years older in one day.”
“But otherwise,” Dr. Smith said, “the two of you are often at odds. No one wins.”
“Okay,” Bobby said to Dr. Smith. “I’ll integrate! But only if Robert integrates into me. We can be called Bobby and we’ll be, like, in our early twenties. Now that’s cool. I get old-man abilities. You know, like experience, reading, and writing. See if Robert’s willing to do that.”
“You see, I said to Dr. Smith, “Bobby’s absolutely hopeless. He knows we can’t change outer age, but he just won’t give up. He becomes more stubborn each day.”
“I love everything about Bobby,” Dr. Smith Replied, “But I know integration is the right path. It would be good for all concerned. Without it, both of you will be frustrated. And I’m not sure what we do next.”
“Right now,” I replied, “it’s an absolute dead end. Bobby believes in separate but equal. I suppose it’s not right to say we’re totally separate. I guess it’s something like ‘collaborative multiplicity.’ Bobby won’t budge and inch beyond that. He’ll work together when it suits him. He stays apart the rest of the time.”
“Whatever your term,” Dr. Smith said sternly, “I still call it multiple personality disorder.”
Pages 226, 227
The book should be interesting for multiples. For the newly diagnosed, it will provide some positive things that they need to learn but could also be misleading. For singles, the book combats some stereotypes but creates and reinforces others.
The Good:
• Robert Oxnam is an extremely successful man. They managed to be fully self-sufficient before, during, and after therapy. He completely blows apart the image that all multiples are women incapable of doing anything but falling apart.
• Integration isn’t the happy ending. Robert Oxnam is three people working together as a team. They call it collaborative multiplicity.
• The person who initiated therapy voluntarily withdraws from using the body to allow someone else to be in charge. There are discussions about the hosts having changed over the years. There is no integration into the original person.
• There are sections of the book written by each person in the system from their point of view. The author does use the phrase “personalities inside me” but the book is clearly about a group with no one person being more real than anyone else.
• It was nice to read about a group learning how to communicate with each other. They do a good job of describing their inner world to the general public.
• “MPD is an explanation, not an excuse.” Page, 165
• “I feel my achievements may not have been in spite of MPD. Instead, they may be because of MPD” Page, 169
The Bad:
• Multiplicity is not the same as having different sides to your personality even if you throw amnesia into the mix. There’s no reason for the author to have bought into this idea so heavily. Very few of them were one dimensional.
• The first chapter is so boring! Bob goes into way too much detail about his family’s history of overachieving and his scholastic career. The rise of his career is equally dull but at least his work with New York’s Asia Society was relevant to the story-line. We did not need to know that Tom Brokaw used to call him to ask how to pronounce “Deng”. Name dropping continues to be a theme throughout the book.
• Integration isn’t the story ending but it does play a heavy role.
• They end up working together but there is still a lot of talk of suffering from MPD and being fractured. Multiplicity is never shown as anything other than an illness.
• Why must everyone reiterate how rare multiplicity and/or MPD is?
The Scary:
• This was Oxnam’s second attempt at writing a book about his experiences. News of the first book leaked out revealing publicly that he had MPD. He almost lost his job because some people were upset over him being multiple. It took the threat of lawsuit to secure his position.
The Puzzling Integration:
Supposedly Oxnam started as eleven ‘personalities’ and integrated into three by the end of the book. The claims of integration don’t really add up with the rest of the book, though.
• The first integration supposedly took place after an alliance was formed between three people. The main person wanted to retire into their inner world and the other agreed to take over with the third helping him. Somehow they progressed from an agreement to share skills to Bob and Robbey having integrated into Robert.
• Several of the chapters are from Bob’s point of view. Bob even states that he finds it very strange to be writing again after so long. This doesn’t really fit with the assertion that Bob integrated into Robert. Other supposedly integrated people also have sections from their point-of-view.
• Robert continually refers to the Bob-inside-him. “[I let] the Bob-part-of-me focus on the annual dinner while I gave new attention to working with Bobby.” It is unclear whether Bob is still performing certain actions but doing so through Robert without taking physical control of the body. The other possibility is that Robert began referring to anything he associated with Bob as coming from his Bob part.
• At one point they state: “Baby wasn’t dead. Baby had just told his horrible story and had retreated back into the Castle.” But later they claim that Baby was integrated into Robert. They also claim that Bob and Robbey still have their old places in the Castle.
• The therapist decides that Robert is a seven-sided merger. His logic is that two of the people linked with Bob and Robbey probably integrated with them during the alliance. He also assumes that the Librarian and Baby must be integrated because he doesn’t think anyone in the system will see them again.
• Towards the end of the book another integration via alliances takes place but the people who supposedly integrated appeared during an argument some time later. One is left to wonder whether any integrations occurred at all. Perhaps what they are calling integration has more to do with people withdrawing from the day-to-day life and agreeing only to act through certain people?
The Therapist:
• I really believe that Oxnam was able to pull their group together in spite of their therapist rather than due to his help. When they started therapy, a lot of them were unable to communicate adequately with each other. Instead of teaching them ways to reach each other, he made them dependant on him to act as an intermediary. Some of the people were abusive of each other but he blamed this all on their hidden trauma. Even once they’d produced this memory, he never worked with them to stop the abuse or to teach them how to respond to situations better. All cohesion as a group was developed by themselves. He taught them this distorted view of normal people and what it means to have different sides to your personality. He continually pressured them to integrate even once they’d made the decision against it. That’s not even mentioning his stupid explanation about DID at the back of the book.
“Bobby,” said Dr. Smith, “why can’t you see that life could be even better if you linked up with Robert?”
“Sure. Lots better. Robert gets my energy and fun. And I get to be in my late fifties. I get forty years older in one day.”
“But otherwise,” Dr. Smith said, “the two of you are often at odds. No one wins.”
“Okay,” Bobby said to Dr. Smith. “I’ll integrate! But only if Robert integrates into me. We can be called Bobby and we’ll be, like, in our early twenties. Now that’s cool. I get old-man abilities. You know, like experience, reading, and writing. See if Robert’s willing to do that.”
“You see, I said to Dr. Smith, “Bobby’s absolutely hopeless. He knows we can’t change outer age, but he just won’t give up. He becomes more stubborn each day.”
“I love everything about Bobby,” Dr. Smith Replied, “But I know integration is the right path. It would be good for all concerned. Without it, both of you will be frustrated. And I’m not sure what we do next.”
“Right now,” I replied, “it’s an absolute dead end. Bobby believes in separate but equal. I suppose it’s not right to say we’re totally separate. I guess it’s something like ‘collaborative multiplicity.’ Bobby won’t budge and inch beyond that. He’ll work together when it suits him. He stays apart the rest of the time.”
“Whatever your term,” Dr. Smith said sternly, “I still call it multiple personality disorder.”
Pages 226, 227
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Date: 2005-10-01 07:46 am (UTC)They would sit in places like IRC and on email lists glorifying their therapists, treating them with the reverence of deity worship. I am sure the therapists loved it, nothing like being perfect and godlike to stroke ones ego. I remember getting in some sort of agrument about the fact I did not want a therapist that was a so called specialist in mpd. By then I had read enough text books to know how rigid their views of multiplicity was, and how they forced people to conform to those views. I said I didn't want someone telling me what my reality was, and I didn't think recovery came from having someone else run my life for me. Of course that meant I was in denial, revictimising myself, and oh yeah, probably CULT CONTROLLED (oh shock horror)
My old experience with the MAH showed me that there is still a huge group of people that view medical professionals as all knowing gods who can't be challenged, and anyone that steps outside that paradigm as deluded or plain old evil.
Thus ends my rant for today
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Date: 2005-10-01 04:53 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-10-01 11:01 am (UTC)IMO that doctor should have his lisence taken away.
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Date: 2005-10-01 07:30 pm (UTC)At any rate integration doesn't have a very good track record. They may differentiate again as they go along, as many other groups have done.
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Date: 2005-10-01 11:55 am (UTC)“I love everything about Bobby,” Dr. Smith Replied, .... "but I want him to go away"
:(
Why always the angry ""alter"?
Date: 2005-10-01 08:12 pm (UTC)My name is Jade I live inside "The Mosaic Gang" and am a person although I have been called a "alter" I started a journal but have not figured out how to post just write a comment for the heck of writing in "multiples" yet in fact I finally found "multiples" I have just been journaling to us the gang like we always do for better communication so have been finding this all real boring. How does one get in to the group? Never thought I'd have that problem I know lame I thought I would write a comment well here goes I was ordering Fractured Mind at the Library so now I am glad to have the Review Question to all Why Oh Why in these stories and portrayals of us Does the steriotypical PROTECTOR or angry alter come out first or The little scared child??? I dont get it we observed our core Tiea talk to her therapist for years about her spinning headaches and lost time and being called a lier and such and her budget then we all together kind of melded in the room to visit with her therapist and its was the longest most loudest silence he ever experienced without one of us saying a word outwardly and he just knew he was in the presence of others sitting with him It was awesome the next week he asked Tiea does she ever hear noise when she experiences the headaches and she told him "well its kinda like jarbaled voices all talking or discussing like a commentary of what you and I are saying or what the Prof at Colledge is teaching us then it calms down and so does the headache " he asked "when you lose time do you notice any differences ?" and Tiea explained "well like my money is spent I was saving for something else or the clothes I layed out for work are moved and another outfit is out and food containers are in the garbage" Or people will call my phone number and ask for Toni or Jade and they keep getting the wrong number" he was cool the "T" he said "Tiea I think there are others within you trying to get your attention and I would like your permission and theres too meet them and help you meet them . " This was after 7 years of her going to him and being inconsistent ALLOT the "T "just saw us and we just happened to be in treatment for PTSD from allot of early childhood till 14 years old trauma along with se**ual a**se and concieving our Fathers Baby. He has explained in Psyciatric terms we are called "alters " but he sees us as complete whole different people sharing a body and yeah we have a angry /protector and lots of littles too but none of us trusted him enough to COME OUT and announce ourselves we answered to Tiea are whole life and it was his idea to use are real individual names I have never seen a movie like that or read a book like that I am just now reading "The Minds of Billy Milligan " now and feel so bad at this juncture of the book all of the people were made to come out be taped and be manipulated . Well Hi to the Multiplicity world out there I have no idea how else to enter or to get my blue kitten mood on this or my user pic but you can check out our journal under jadedmosaic, Thanks Pengke for sharing all about 60 minutes we will be watching and were going to check out the website will sombody please tell us how to get our user pics up and our moods ?? Thanks we have been searching for a communkity to chat with forever if you want to get to know us better like I said just chack out are journal its the only thing we collectively have been able to figure out unfortuantly we dont have a computer brain in our household Catch ya later Jade ... mood..scattered......upset I want to be able to regularly CHAT not just post in our journal we have a zillion journals for us if I knew We would be just writing to ourselves in it we would not have started it we hope this will get us into the community Oh Aim...is also jadedmosaic...email mosaicbutterfly @hotmail.com we could not use e mail name for user name cause there is somome in the community who has that name quote ..."waste not want not "
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Date: 2005-10-01 09:10 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-10-01 09:44 pm (UTC)This was Oxnam’s second attempt at writing a book about his experiences. News of the first book leaked out revealing publicly that he had MPD. He almost lost his job because some people were upset over him being multiple. It took the threat of lawsuit to secure his position.
And people get accused of cowardice when they decide to stay in the closet for the sake of their career. Sigh...
As you say, there are definite positives to someone visibly successful (by society's standards) outing themselves as multiple. Truddi Chase was also visibly succesful as a commercial real estate broker, and IIRC her career ran into trouble not because she was multiple but because of the S&L scandals in the 80s-- however, she was a woman, and she wasn't high-profile or wealthy, so that particular aspect of her story could be more easily dismissed.
It's funny, though-- I think he gives the whole show away with that comment "I don't know what we do next." It seems not so much that he's horrified at the idea of a group not wanting to integrate as that he just has no idea where to go from here if integration isn't the next step. Probably he's just working from the extremely specific formula he learned about in school, where everything is resolved by the integration happy ending, and he can't or won't devise a new paradigm for working with a non-integrated group which still desires therapy.
You'd think that at some point he might have tried reading material by other therapists, some of whom had surely heard of multiples choosing not to integrate by then-- is there anything mentioned about that in the book?
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Date: 2005-10-01 10:18 pm (UTC)I can't imagine that Oxnam is the only multiple he's ever heard of that decided not to integrate. I think he's just very firmly of the opinion that only integration can cure MPD. "When therapists are too enthusiastic about integration, patients tend to become suspicious of their motives. The decision of whether to integrate is best left to the patint. Eventually, the disadvantages of remaining separate begin to weigh heavily. I remain curious to see whether [Oxnam's] current triumvirate of co-conscious alters will move toward a final integration or remain as distinct as they are today."
Why always the angry ""alter"?
Date: 2005-10-01 09:46 pm (UTC)My name is Jade I live inside "The Mosaic Gang" and am a person although I have been called a "alter" I started a journal but have not figured out how to post just write a comment for the heck of writing in "multiples" yet in fact I finally found "multiples" I have just been journaling to us the gang like we always do for better communication so have been finding this all real boring. How does one get in to the group? Never thought I'd have that problem I know lame I thought I would write a comment well here goes I was ordering Fractured Mind at the Library so now I am glad to have the Review Question to all Why Oh Why in these stories and portrayals of us Does the steriotypical PROTECTOR or angry alter come out first or The little scared child??? I dont get it we observed our core Tiea talk to her therapist for years about her spinning headaches and lost time and being called a lier and such and her budget then we all together kind of melded in the room to visit with her therapist and its was the longest most loudest silence he ever experienced without one of us saying a word outwardly and he just knew he was in the presence of others sitting with him It was awesome the next week he asked Tiea does she ever hear noise when she experiences the headaches and she told him "well its kinda like jarbaled voices all talking or discussing like a commentary of what you and I are saying or what the Prof at Colledge is teaching us then it calms down and so does the headache " he asked "when you lose time do you notice any differences ?" and Tiea explained "well like my money is spent I was saving for something else or the clothes I layed out for work are moved and another outfit is out and food containers are in the garbage" Or people will call my phone number and ask for Toni or Jade and they keep getting the wrong number" he was cool the "T" he said "Tiea I think there are others within you trying to get your attention and I would like your permission and theres too meet them and help you meet them . " This was after 7 years of her going to him and being inconsistent ALLOT the "T "just saw us and we just happened to be in treatment for PTSD from allot of early childhood till 14 years old trauma along with se**ual a**se and concieving our Fathers Baby. He has explained in Psyciatric terms we are called "alters " but he sees us as complete whole different people sharing a body and yeah we have a angry /protector and lots of littles too but none of us trusted him enough to COME OUT and announce ourselves we answered to Tiea are whole life and it was his idea to use are real individual names I have never seen a movie like that or read a book like that I am just now reading "The Minds of Billy Milligan " now and feel so bad at this juncture of the book all of the people were made to come out be taped and be manipulated . Well Hi to the Multiplicity world out there I have no idea how else to enter or to get my blue kitten mood on this or my user pic but you can check out our journal under jadedmosaic, Thanks Pengke for sharing all about 60 minutes we will be watching and were going to check out the website will sombody please tell us how to get our user pics up and our moods ?? Thanks we have been searching for a communkity to chat with forever if you want to get to know us better like I said just chack out are journal its the only thing we collectively have been able to figure out unfortuantly we dont have a computer brain in our household Catch ya later Jade ... mood..scattered......upset I want to be able to regularly CHAT not just post in our journal we have a zillion journals for us if I knew We would be just writing to ourselves in it we would not have started it we hope this will get us into the community Oh Aim...is also jadedmosaic...email mosaicbutterfly @hotmail.com we could not use e mail name for user name cause there is somome in the community who has that name quote ..."waste not want not "
Re: Thanks scarlettekitten
Date: 2005-10-02 05:02 am (UTC)Re: Thanks scarlettekitten
Date: 2005-10-02 05:54 am (UTC)There should be a link that says something like "if you want to join click here". We have some animals here. My little sister and brother both turn into puppies. Chris is a fox and Christopher is a wolf. I just turn into a bitch. :P
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Date: 2005-10-03 01:04 am (UTC)Hope I got your name right its me Jade What a day thanks for replying its finaly MY TIME Wheew I get to call my small "m" master and e mail him and chat online I had to keep "m " away today cause my son was visiting from Atlanta and he is 22 yep I am 46 hope that is not a turn off to the community the core Tiea got married young and divorced young and but MY body is 21 years old we were all excited to see bio son but "m" likes to make it especially difficult when kids are around demanding from me exebitionist type crap which I use to love to do for him but now he wants to meet the system cause I was outed by a little who had never kissed before the other night and I am so thankful I found this community by accident and just in time God is good scarlettekitten signed me on as a friend and I did her she found us in my journal which is giving us all a problem today cause everytime we hit rich text it says explorer cannot open http:/livejournal operation abort and then we click the x or ok and get a No Page and have to start over just getting the way to do this has all of us depressed we went to community like you and scarlettekitten told us to and by user info joined and it Said we were already a member error and three user names came up and it said they were menters or maintainers something but nothing happened so there was no way to post just empty below no where to write or join circles again post so the only way we can as of yet is to reply to a comment to us Ive spent allot of MY time in the Newbies Lounge and I am getting pissed I cant get my mood kitty here in this post I dont know why I am collecting with our system some user pics and making a folder for easy acsess so I am freaking trying my best"M" wants to meet the younger kids in the household and introduce himself now and I feel threatened that Toni there protector will end my relationship with "M" he does not understand he is with THEM when with me Yada yada and making me feel bad saying I am being bad on purpose and samming which I am not and starting to reallly hurt me not listening to signals and the older ones are getting really upset and Menassah who runs the house wants him out of my life I'm so confused .
I hated 60 minutes tonight and wanted to post and talk about it during my time the interviewer whats his name kept calling Oxnam a character and all his other people with him Characters like they were made up people Ah excuse me he should of said they are People It was dumb to show Bobby skating as if that defined his whole exsistence it just bothered me all of us really voted on that ICK and but it was good his docter told him not to change up on TV but they snuck it in by showing Bobby skating as if to prove something I know lots of 60 something skaters gee whiz the whole thing smells and the poor wife my God what a dear heart to put up with so MANY husbands near tears when is somebody going to get it right for us ?? I vote Positivly plural write a text book anybody agree let me know we had to show this site and aestoria pages to the Therapist now he is hooked Oh man I miss my colors Toni wants out and we use different colors maybe cause were a free account it only let us rich text the first 7 times ???!!! I see lots of free accounts with differnt colors and designs in there journal we have allot to learn I'm glad ya all got some annimals too it made Leo feel better and she is quite happy wow I wonder how or if she would get along with puppies I dunno maybe the fox though he he ha ha ok thanks so much if you want to add me as freind go ahead I have to remeber how to do it and you can go to our journal at jadedmosaic if you like just Tiea went on like crazy today waiting for our son cause we were all jittery and off Hi Chris and Christiphor man a wolf too Leo is interested in finding friends too cool fantasic very sweet my head is spinning time to relax Thanks so much Jade
Re: Thanks scarlettekitten
Date: 2005-10-03 08:46 am (UTC)Anyway, thanks for showing our pages to your shrink; let him see the Layman's Guide too, http://www.karitas.net/blackbirds/layman
and
If your doctor wants to get on this community he's welcome as long as he's polite and just wants to learn from people here, and we're asking that doctors on this community announce their presence in a public post so everyone knows they are here. There are several doctors on this community now.
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Date: 2005-10-14 12:12 am (UTC)I completely agree with you there. This guy does NOT sound integrated.
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Date: 2005-10-02 10:46 am (UTC)Doesn't seem like it's any worse or better than anything else we've got on our bookshelf. We might read it if we come across a copy.