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multiplicity_archivesI'm quite glad i found this community as I've been pretty worried about myself and my 'other' for a while. Firstly hello to everyone! :)
I posted a post in the community sextips, asking a few questions and a large amount of people pointed me to 'Multiplicity' (post is here WARNIN SEXUAL CONTENT - http://www.livejournal.com/community/sextips/6759752.html) So I'm here to hopefully maybe find out some more stuff, and meet new people of course. :)
Okay, I'm a 19 -year-old female student, and for about a year I've been aware of another mind inside my head. About 6 months ago he came out as 'Toby', a boy about 17, black hair, green eyes. Of course its not physcial, its just I can 'see' him in my head, as can my girlfriend. We are both slightly clairvoyant too so it may be because that. Also this may be very weird, but the majority of times, he sports a pair of black wings on his back, which sometimes break through his skin and cause a mild pain to my back >.<
Another thing, Toby 'comes through' and tends to range in age from 12 to 19. When hes 18-19 he says hes gay, and before hes bisexual (me, myself im bisexual). Has anyone else had this?
Also, does anyone have it where they have another 'personality' that is the opposite sex?
Sorry for questions and that, and I am willing to answer any anyone asks :) I'm just interested because this really does sound like what I have :) I am going to see a councellor in September, but I'd like a bit of mind-rest before then.
Also, am I likely to find anymore personalities? I have the impression they are 'lurking' but I'm not sure.
Thankyou all who read this :)
I posted a post in the community sextips, asking a few questions and a large amount of people pointed me to 'Multiplicity' (post is here WARNIN SEXUAL CONTENT - http://www.livejournal.com/community/sextips/6759752.html) So I'm here to hopefully maybe find out some more stuff, and meet new people of course. :)
Okay, I'm a 19 -year-old female student, and for about a year I've been aware of another mind inside my head. About 6 months ago he came out as 'Toby', a boy about 17, black hair, green eyes. Of course its not physcial, its just I can 'see' him in my head, as can my girlfriend. We are both slightly clairvoyant too so it may be because that. Also this may be very weird, but the majority of times, he sports a pair of black wings on his back, which sometimes break through his skin and cause a mild pain to my back >.<
Another thing, Toby 'comes through' and tends to range in age from 12 to 19. When hes 18-19 he says hes gay, and before hes bisexual (me, myself im bisexual). Has anyone else had this?
Also, does anyone have it where they have another 'personality' that is the opposite sex?
Sorry for questions and that, and I am willing to answer any anyone asks :) I'm just interested because this really does sound like what I have :) I am going to see a councellor in September, but I'd like a bit of mind-rest before then.
Also, am I likely to find anymore personalities? I have the impression they are 'lurking' but I'm not sure.
Thankyou all who read this :)
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Date: 2005-08-05 03:25 am (UTC)I'm mostly here lurking, but I've got a boy who's perpetually 18, shoulder length black hair, and green eyes.
He goes by Roanoke.
Me? I'm FtM so biologially female, bisexual. My boy is Bi-curious, but he's a virgin still.
We sound alot alike, except I'm not clairvoyant or psychic or anything like that. I can read people really well, but I think that comes out of working customer service for as long as I did. My boy also occassionally has wings, seeing as he's a vampire.
I'm not technically a multiple (I don't classify myself as one, I'm mostly here to learn more about my friends with multiplicity, and how to communicate with my other selves better) But this is an awesome community.
Welcome here!
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Date: 2005-08-05 03:36 am (UTC)I'd love to IM with you sometime :) I added you as westlywolf@hotmail.com, is that right?
And im not sure if im a multiple either, which is why im joining this community, everyone is so friendly and interesting :D
And Toby is bugging me to say hi :D
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Date: 2005-08-05 03:45 am (UTC)Roanoke (Who's first name is Westly) has his own SN on AIM it's VampireWestly. Mine is Westlywolf.
My Email addy is Westlywolf@gmail.com
There's several folks around here with 'inhuman' (Watch Roanoke shudder, he classifies himself as very human, just with a weird diet) alters.
Mine is my Animus (everyone has one, but they usually don't have them constantly co-concious and chatting)
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Date: 2005-08-05 05:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-05 03:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-05 04:23 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-05 04:34 am (UTC)As for system members not matching the physical sex of the body, it's quite common. Most of us here are girls, but we have a handful of guys in the system as well (body is female). We also vary in other ways inside - including ethnicity and even species (most of us are therian/otherkin types). It's also not uncommon to be able to see what the other members of a system look like inside. We're not really clairvoyant, but can all see, talk, and interact with eachother inside.
As for having other people lurking, it's possible. Sometimes it just takes some work to develop better lines of communication before you'll find everyone if there are more people in your system.
If you'd like to do some more reading about multiplicity, I'd recommend checking out some of the sites/FAQs linked on the community userinfo. A number of community members also have personal sites with FAQs if you're looking for some other individual perspectives (ourselves included - here's the link (http://shadowechoes.silentshadows.net) to our webpage if you're interested).
I'll also second the warning about being careful to come out to a therapist about being multiple - most therapists out there would just slap a label of DID or even a thought disorder on you since unfortunately (healthy, functional, real) multiplicity isn't well recognized by most mental health professionals. Not saying that all therapists would be this way or that therapy is a bad thing - just that it's important to recognize that having more than one mind per body isn't neccessarily a disorder or unnatural.
Hope that helps answer some of your questions. If you have any more, feel free to ask. This is quite a helpful and friendly community. ;)
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Date: 2005-08-05 04:50 am (UTC)-Jenilee
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Date: 2005-08-05 04:52 am (UTC)also, here's a link to our website if you'd like to read more about us... ^_^ -kasia
http://kasiya.homestead.com/
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Date: 2005-08-05 05:26 am (UTC)our body is female, but we have people of all genders and species in here...
Faith is half-vampire, half-winged panther, and when she grew her wings, my back hurt too..
Our FAQ is Here (http://rickmacleod.bravehost.com/pack1.html)
im us anytime, we've all got journals and aim names...
Rick: ricktboy1127
Faith: FAlastair
Tara: magickalmacleod
liz: lizthebrain
cubbie: cubbiePC
and our journals can be found on my userinfo.
Welcome again!
Rick
Pack Collective
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Date: 2005-08-05 07:01 am (UTC)...and tends to range in age from 12 to 19.
that means hes an 'age slider'
does anyone have it where they have another 'personality' that is the opposite sex?
theres two of us here.
Also, am I likely to find anymore personalities? I have the impression they are 'lurking' but I'm not sure.
theres plenty of 2-ways out there. but its reasonable that there could be more.
its just I can 'see' him in my head
some people around here describe dreamstates, inner worlds, colorful fun-sounding stuff. we 'sense' each other (its very dark) but there are two of us who actually 'see' things. (i think they gotta close their eyes to see internally.)
I am going to see a councellor in September
there are good counselors out there. but you should know that the psychiatric community is in a huge battle over what to do with multiples. its pretty ridiculous imo.
until you get educated. ask yourself if you and toby are functional, handling life, is your situation physically dangerous?
if you answered yay, yay, nay....
get really really educated before you let a counselor talk you into inpatient, meds, or integration. and dont let em tell you its your only choice.
and welcome to the apparent center of healthy functional multiplicity, yo!
check this link... its pretty rad.
http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/faq.shtml
and IM me yo!
yim = changelyng
-Candy Apple Red
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Date: 2005-08-05 05:21 pm (UTC)Nice to meet you btw ^^
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Date: 2005-08-06 06:42 am (UTC)we don't really have a bearing on internal age here, (although we tend to estimate peoples emotional maturity) so its hard to relate or explain it beyond what we've heard from others.
im pretty sure theres a post less then a week old over on fragmented_minds with some curious opinions. (someone thinks age sliding is more self-destructive then self-cutting, which i have trouble buying).
personally, i don't understand how it could be bad. but its definitely not uncommon. other then that, i know nothing about it.
-Lovecry
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Date: 2005-08-06 05:18 pm (UTC)thanks
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Date: 2005-08-06 08:50 pm (UTC)one of my ex's could be human, and would occaisionally be a cat. never saw her front in cat mode.
-lovecry
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Date: 2005-08-05 07:45 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-05 08:15 am (UTC)It's odd, we are kind of sometimes both "fronting" at once, mostly he's in charge and I'm kind of looking over his shoulder, sometimes the other way around, and sometimes one of us is kind of hidden in the background asleep.
Generally he fronts when there are Ash things going on, I front when there are more girly things going on.
I don't quite understand all this "otherkin" type thing where peoplke have wolves or vampires as their other personalities, it all sounds a little bit mad to me (but then again neither of us are exactly qualified to speak on behalf of sanity ;) ).
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Date: 2005-08-05 08:26 am (UTC)I thought I'd post here as well, seeing as this web-page is still open.
Not sure what to say.
Hmm... I'm functional, don't have any problems and mostly know exactly what's going on, it's just like someone else is in the driving seat. Sometimes I get periods of blank or fuzzy memory, or I suddenly remember something that I did, but mostly not.
It's funny, but my condition is nothing like that I've seen in Hollywood or for that matter read about in psychiactric literature. I think the problem is that the men in white coats only see the cases where multiplicity is bad, and only the most extreame cases get their psychiatrists famous & their opinions widely circulated. Therefore the psychiatric profession has a massively distorted view of multiplicity. Hollywood uses these cases for it's basis of understanding of multiplicity but has to make these already extreame cases even more larger-than-life, feeding back into public perception ... not a healty cycle.
A close friend has just finished qualifying. He had two things to say to me about the subject.
"Most of it is guesswork, the rest is lies"
&
"Ash, you're a total mentalist"
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Date: 2005-08-05 08:56 am (UTC)It's a lot like the view of homosexuality in the 1950s-- because all the homosexuals who went to see psychiatrists had problems, the doctors brilliantly concluded that their experiences must be universal to everyone who was gay. Same thing, pretty much. That, and during the 1980s, the MPD diagnosis got hijacked by groups with An Agenda-- mainly those who wanted to prove that sexual abuse of children was real, which is certainly fine, but they were pointing to multiplicity as being inevitably 'proof of abuse.' Or they assumed that if a system had been abused, it must have caused their multiplicity; it could never have been that they were born that way and abused later (and maybe even abused more for acting too differently).
Interestingly, some 19th-century scientists and psychologists observed and wrote about multiples-- not after the intent of 'curing' them, but because it was a little-understood subject and they thought multiplicity might allow science to understand more about the human mind and how personality is formed in the first place. William McDougall, a contemporary of William James, actually went to the extent of making a distinction between 'alternating personalities' (unaware of each other's existence, or at least one of them was) and 'coconscious personalities' (aware of each other). Yes, the term co-consciousness is over a hundred years old. Most people don't know that. I really must write up a good essay some day about early studies of multiplicity, to wave in the face of those who assert it as incontrovertible fact that "in REAL DID nobody knows there are others!"
-Shiu and somebody.
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Date: 2005-08-05 12:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-05 04:52 pm (UTC)"The 1% prevalence of DID is a conservative interpretation of the data, because over 3% of respondents endorsed DSM-III-R criteria (http://www.sidran.org/glossary.html#mpd) for multiple personality disorder. I excluded most of these people as false positives because they reported neither trauma histories nor the rest of the DDIS symptom profile (http://www.rossinst.com/dddquest.htm) for DID."
From here (http://www.rossinst.com/des.htm). This is from a study of the general population (1055 adults in Winnipeg). Looks like the "rest of the DDIS symptom profile" he references mostly has to do with missing time.
I've seen numbers like these in a couple of other places which I haven't been able to find again. I haven't come across any studies that go into more detail about this sort of thing.
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Date: 2005-08-06 01:26 am (UTC)But that's definitely an interesting statistic. I'm curious as to what he means by 'endorsed DSM-III criteria' in this context-- had they been diagnosed with it, or did they report that they fit the criteria themselves? My main problem with the DDIS and similar tests is the assumption that there's only one explanation for losing time, forgetting conversations, etc.
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Date: 2005-08-06 02:11 am (UTC)"An attempt was made to reinterview the 1,055 respondents in Winnipeg who completed the DES using the DDIS: the structured interviews were administered by trained undergraduates who were blind to the DES scores. We were able to find and interview 502 of the 1,055 respondents"
...the "respondents in Winnipeg who had completed the DES" is a reference to the previous section, Dissociation in the General Population. Looks like he just tracked down these people, gave them the DDIS, and wasn't really sure what to make of the results as more than half of the people who endorsed enough DDIS items to qualify for an MPD diagnosis didn't fit the model very well..
So he tossed out more than half of them as 'false positives'. Yay.
The reference to the first (DES) study is "Ross, C.A., Joshi, S., & Currie, R. (1990). Dissociative experiences in the general population. American Journal of Psychiatry, 147, 1547-1552.". The second (DDIS) study is "Epidemiology of Multiple Personality Disorder and Dissociation. Ross, C.A.: Psychiatric Clinics of North America, 14(3):503-517, 1991." Wonder if they'll be interesting to justify dragging them out of satellite shelving and interlibrary loan...
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Date: 2005-08-08 12:32 am (UTC)"A controversial diagnosis requires particularly well-drawn criteria for evaluation. However, the use of Kluft's irredeemably nebulous "integration" criteria may trap the unwary. For example, Ellason and Ross accept "the absence of behaviorally evident separate identities." Yet Kluft has claimed that at the time of diagnosis, 40% of dissociative identity disorder patients may show no overt signs of the disorder. Perhaps Ellason and Ross excluded such cases from their cohort, but Ross himself further complicates the matter. He warns that alter personalities may enter "inner hibernation," sometimes for lengthy periods in which state they do not manifest themselves to the outside observer. One wonders how the present authors determined that their subjects' improvements were not examples of this phenomenon."
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Date: 2005-08-19 05:20 pm (UTC)God, too bad.. I'd have loved to read it all. Don't happen to have a saved copy, do you? If not, I'll track it down some way. I'd like to host it.
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Date: 2010-03-07 12:56 am (UTC)http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/155/10/1462
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Date: 2005-08-05 03:16 pm (UTC)Exactly. Most people don't know that there could be such a thing as functional multiple systems because all they ever read about/hear/see are the disfunctional cases. When it comes to the media, disfunction sells. When it comes to mental health professionals, disfunction gets noticed. The healthy systems out there just don't draw a lot of attention to themselves so most people just assume they don't exist/couldn't be possible.
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Date: 2005-08-05 09:50 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-08-05 10:53 am (UTC)We have also have one who on occassion has wings, but he's a God and very touchy to what and what I cannot say, so I'll leave it at that. -refrains from bias counciller opinions- ....xD.... Anywho! Again, you are welcome to contact us at any point in time for anyquestions. ;)
-Kira
-Sistema di Raziel
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Date: 2005-08-05 11:11 am (UTC)I'm a bit tired, but my system...I'm one of two known males. The body is female.
All right, I'm going to bed. :) Hi there.
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Date: 2005-08-05 04:51 pm (UTC)my/our body is female, and most of us are female as well, although there is one male who rarely if ever fronts. he's empathic and a bit ... um ... insane. *pats him* sorry, jack.
as to the concept of wings- i know exactly what you mean. i have permanent knots between my shoulder blades where my (abeit metaphysical) wings erupted. ow.
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Date: 2005-08-05 05:19 pm (UTC)I have some loves who are guys in a female body. Doesn't bother me at all, and they definitely come across as male to me. There are so many facets of gender that I can't really articulate why except well, they just are. I can 'see' them too.
Glad you found your way over.
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Date: 2005-08-06 05:22 pm (UTC)