Bumperstickers. ;-)

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

After talking to Kat of enigma_system she and I have decided that someone should make a bumpersticker that reads:
YOUR OTHERS ARE NOT YOUR EMOTIONS.
This is after/to educate people who excuse their outbursts by, "Oh, I'm sorry, that wasn't me, I'm happiness, that was my cousin Anger/Depression/Sarcasm..."

Comments

[pthalo]

Randomlz, it would totallz suck to be Happiness. or Anger. or Depression. or Sarcasm. or Whatever. I like having a full range of emotions! I think we do have a few who have a more limited range, but I think this is just an indicator of where thez are right now and thez don't front. I'm a bit short on anger, personallz, but I feel it everz now and then and I almost enjoz it because it's so rare for me.

Pthalo, who is stil getting used to this qwerty kezboard, having flown to the states zesterdaz.

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

I like having a full range of emotions! I think we do have a few who have a more limited range, but I think this is just an indicator of where thez are right now

Exactly! See what I mean? Sure, some of you may be more prone to one emotion than another - but that's the way people in the 3D are, too.

You can be angry a lot of the time, but you're not 'Anger'.

[pthalo]

exactlz. I'm quietish, but I'm babblz once I warm up to people. That doesn't make me Shz. I'm capable of behaving non-shzlz if I need to.

It's like being asked what mz role is. Well, uh, let's see. When I'm around Marissa, we're both fulfilling the role of 'girlfriend' for each other and all the mini roles that go along with it (good listener, etc.). When I'm around Little One, I'm mommz. When I'm around friends (3d or not), i'm "friend". When I'm the one taking a shower, mz role generallz involves using a washcloth and some soap...etc. the question is so meaningless. Though we (3d friends and me) do sort of classify each other by role and in that sense I don't mind it so much. G (3d girl) is the dumb one. D (other 3d girl) is the boy crazy one. I'm the lesbian.

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

Even then it seems like joking or playful titles, and not excuses, and in your case, a solid truth. It's not like someone in your system would be talking to someone and you would come out and yell and then disappear and then whoever was fronting would say, "Oh, I apologize for her, she's the Lesbian..."
And like I said, being a lesbian is solid truth. Anything that it can be an 'excuse' for is expected:
Boy-Crazy: Oh, he's so hot!
You: Yeah, he's attractive, but he doesn't do much for me...
Boy-Crazy: WHAT!? Why not!?
You: I only like women.

It's not an excuse for something. It's the way you are.

[pthalo]

hee, exactlz. I did surprise mz friends recentlz bz agreeing with the Boy-crazy one's statement that Ashton Kutcher is hot. It's out of character for me to notice much about males or give an opinion other than "yeah, he's okay" This doesn't effect mz status as a lesbian. :)

The dumb one earned her title (but she isn't called that to her face) bz thinking we were joking when we told her that potatoes are vegetables, not a tzpe of pastry, bz not knowing what an auxiliary verb is (we're English/linguistics majors).

It's not like someone in your system would be talking to someone and you would come out and yell and then disappear and then whoever was fronting would say, "Oh, I apologize for her, she's the Lesbian..." i am a firm believer in taking responsibilitz for mz own actions. if i'm going to yell about something, which is fairly rare for me, i'll stick around to clean up the mess.

[enigma-system.livejournal.com]

I think that if we have enough money left over we should make a T-Shirt/Coffee mug/bumper sticker shop on cafe press with a plural theme. They could say things like "Integrate This" and "Your others are not your emotions."

Do you think anyone would be offended by this or is it a good idea?

Love Kira

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

I think it's a good idea ^_^
Especially if we get the word out that Your Others are NOT your Emotions!. ;-)
I don't see the offense. ♥

Re: M

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

Defaulting to one isn't the same as existing purely on one.

[melange-fiesta.livejournal.com]

I have to admit, it's very easy to see the depressed or angry parts of me as different (separate) parts of myself when I'm experiencing them... but I've never mistaken that sensation as multiplicity. Ever. And I do, of course, know that in the end they are really all me, even though they don't always all feel like me. (I have a tendency to think, when I'm happy, that I've never been depressed. Then, when I get depressed, I think my "happiness" was a sham. Etc. But those are just my issues.)

[melange-fiesta.livejournal.com]

That I've never truly been depressed, that should say.

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

But in the end you know they're all you.

[penguin001.livejournal.com]

hehe, the awesomeness of wearing multiple based shirts is that no-one around here would get it. If they did, it'd be a great way to meet more like us ^_^

Joe is happiness, unless he's upset, then he's sad. I'm usually happy too though, because, you know, we all can be happy. Except the Protector. He's just weird. - Joshua

no, he's protection! don't make him mad though, please? or josh either. and I don't like being mad since it's unfun. who can really claim that an emotion is someone? silly people trying to blame us for them being stupid
-joe

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

Don't you just *love* confusing people with t-shirts? Even if they're not multiple-based and have something totally different written on them? Lots of times the best shirts are the ones that make *no* sense whatsoever to anyone (and aren't supposed to). Because then you get people asking and you can look at them like, "Well, duh..." And they'll never know any better ;-)

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

We would so buy one. :) (Granted, as others have said, most people would have no idea what it was talking about, but...)

I think a lot of it stems from the old Freudian idea that the others represent 'parts you weren't allowed to express.' Even though I acknowledge a lot of potential origins for systems, what I object to is the idea that they can't grow and develop and learn to respond in different ways.

But a lot of the time it seems to be more of a convenient excuse than anything-- I've seen too much of "oh, sorry, that was my angry person" after flames and the like. It's like putting your kids out front to be upset and cry if someone gets mad at you-- it's manipulative.

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

And manipulation is one of the main things that give systems a bad name, in my opinion. With society - even with law.
That's why we think these bumper stickers or t-shirts, or whatever (even big foam point fingers ;-)) with this message on it would prove somewhat... educational - and if not, at least amusing to those of us who understand them (and wholeheartedly agree) ;-)

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and then doctors think we're all just play-acting for attention, or so we can do outrageous things without having to take the blame for it. (One of the things I'm also getting tired of is the idea that there's a 'sexy person,' and that if you flirt or have a one-night stand you can always just blame it on the sexy one. Some of us referred to that as the "Fifi the Slut" phenomenon.)

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

I take the blame for everything I do - we all do. And that's the way it should be. As for the 'sexiness', we're all overtly sexy, or we're not, but no, we're lacking in a 'Fifi'.
Oh, and... ;-)

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

I still want to be Fifi the Slut.

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

You could always tell people you were (and further perpetuate her existance) =P

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

I am now in search of just the right pink feather boa and fishnet stockings.

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

We've got some fishnets you can borrow ;-)

[thehumangame.livejournal.com]

Out of curiosity, where'd Freud mention multiplicity or related ideas? (I haven't read any Freud, only about him. I've been trying to get hold of Civilization and its Discontents as per syna's recommendation, but my library has misplaced all three copies. If you could suggest something to add to my ever-growing reading list, I'd be obliged. ^.^)

...for all that it's fallen out of fashion, "parts you weren't allowed to express" or some variation ("parts I didn't allow myself to express") is still the best explanation for why Sophie is the way she is.

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

The way I understand it, Freud thought that people 'dis-associated' parts of themselves, and could develop what looked like physical illnesses as a result of their pent-up issues. Although, I can't say I recall reading anything of Freud's in which he explicitly mentioned multiplicity-- I wasn't a big enough fan of his to go looking. :\ I actually should have said 'psychoanalytic' rather than specifically 'Freudian.' The one who really believed it was caused by things you couldn't express was Morton Prince, author of 'Dissociation of a Personality.' Some doctors believed it tended to happen specifically in intelligent young women whose academic/career/etc ambitions had been frustrated.

...for all that it's fallen out of fashion, "parts you weren't allowed to express" or some variation ("parts I didn't allow myself to express") is still the best explanation for why Sophie is the way she is.

I think it's a valid explanation for some systems, as splitting due to trauma can be a valid explanation for others. There's one person in our system who believes that some of the rest of us took the traits and characteristics she wasn't allowed to express-- she might be right, for all I know.