The relationship between the paranormal and multiplicity.

[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

One caveat: this is only my view on things. Not all my multiple friends will agree. I am not even prepared to say the system has a consensus on this issue. However, I believe, in a now deleted entry, my stance on multiplicity, and the paranormal was misunderstood. I find it a little irritating, because my wording was careful, in an attempt to be clear.

Although I find interest in noting how one can affect the other, and in some cases, seem to aid or hinder the other; I feel it's foolhardy to assume that since both states can exist in the same physical body, that this means there is by necessity a causal link, and particularly an exclusive causal link, as you imply.

That was my statement, italics added for emphasis. Somehow, this seemed to be taken to mean that I feel there is no connection. Since the above wasn't clear enough, I'll try again.

It is my personal belief that most aspects of mental functioning will affect each other. Drinking while depressed is not the best idea, for a reason. There is a connection between most of this, based on the fact that it involves information processing somehow. Unless you are completely inert mentally, you process information. Being psychic effects how you process information. If your body has psychic functionality, it can effect how the system processes information. This in turn, can effect how the system functions.

What I do not agree with, is the concept of an exclusive or universal causal relationship. This is my acknowledgement of psychics who are not multiple, and of multiples who do not have psychic experiences. Their experiences should be respected. It is extremely messed up to act like they don't exist because they don't fit some pet theories professed.

I have come out in defense of multiples who wish to explore how the paranormal effects their system. What I will not do, is come out in defense of marginalising those who don't fit the psychic and multiple model out of either community.

I hope I have clarified things.

--Me

Comments

[kangetsuhime.livejournal.com]

Let me just say 'hear hear'.

Lu is psychic and I get a shit tonne of bleedover from that. Maybe the body is just psychic. Or maybe I'm psychic. Fuck knows. But there are plenty multiples who don't have any experiences in that regard, and plenty singlets who have lots of experiences.

Kinda like some multiples drink coke. There will also be multiple who drink pepsi, not coke, and singlets who drink coke. *shrugs* Bad example maybe, but it seems to be about the same to me.

[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

We get bleedover due to stuff like that as well. If we're not careful, we'll get that shit from our mother too. I'm reserved, haha, because of this. She'll get more than me because I've had semi-traumatic experiences surrounding this. Normal, and so-called rational explainations exist, but regardless, my experiences and perception of the events effect how I interact, both with her and the outside world, noticeably.

In the words of one friend, I've got "walls high as hell". In the words of another, I'm cold.

--Me

[szczur-system.livejournal.com]

Dammit. That's what we were going to say (exactly.["hear, hear"]).

[eridanusus.livejournal.com]

Hear, hear!

:D

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

There, there! Where, where!

[eridanusus.livejournal.com]

*giggle*

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

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[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

Can I be a special person? We're really boring and unsparkly. Our TV reception even works normally.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

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[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

*laughs* Bah. Sparkles don't make for interesting people. It's infatuation at best. Eyecandy for the right people, but beyond a one night stand, what does eyecandy do? Even a well meaning hottie doesn't make a real relationship, of any kind.

What, no psychic HDTV or magick cable blackbox? What kind of multiple are you? Sorry to break it to you, but you fail. See you again in September, in Electromagnetic Disturbances 101. Bring an extra watch.

;)

--Me

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

There is no documented connection, and that's what most people are going to want to see in the everyday world.

[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

They had better not hold their breath. The sort of connection I believe in, isn't that sort of connection, nor is it really relevant to proving multiplicity, or really to the everyday world at large. By connection, I mean that they are part of an interactive system of perceptions which influence individuals. Drunkenness has the same level of connection, but you don't see people running around and trying to tie that to multiplicity.

Regardless of whether or not psychic input is legitimate or delusional, en todo, it doesn't exist in a vacuum unless it's engineered to by the individual.

If we have a fever high enough to see trails, our malfunctioning input does effect our ability to communicate in system, as it does our ability to communicate to those outside the system.

You can talk yourself down from many types of input, but the very act of having to quarantine that influence, is an example of the input exerting an influence.

I think the problem I have is when people jump to the conclusion that the loose connection, or influence, I've described implies a causal or universal relationship, or even a reason to associate the two further than situations that influence and are influenced by how a person processes information.

I really can't describe this outside pseudo-code or pseudo-math, or using cumberson mathematical or programming metaphors. Am I making any sense?

I'm also running into a verbal block trying to differentiate between what connection I'm referring to, and the connection that was presented by people like Truddi Chase. This has given me semantic pause, because I believe they are both valid uses of the term, and in context get mixed up easily.

--Me

Further semantic musing

[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

I've really been trying to pick apart the semantics of the issue, because I do think the terms are twisted by Chase supporters to justify their theories.

I am having trouble with this, and whenever I try to make it clearer, I think I'm falling into jargonism. I could say connection as opposed there being an inherent link between the two, but how is that not just a bullshit attempt at redefining both words?

--Me

Re: Further semantic musing

[appadil.livejournal.com]

Hn.... I'm not sure, but I think I understand what you're trying to say... it's kind of like a Venn diagram, ne? Two categories that aren't necessarily causally connected or correlated that have a certain range of overlap, and in that range, there's an interaction that's distinct from either alone? Like a blue circle overlapping a yellow circle to make green, but all three colors are equally valid..

Or am I completely misinterpreting you here?

[kasiya-system.livejournal.com]

We consider things like channeling, speaking/working with Spirit Guides/Angels or anything along those lines to be "spiritual". We put our spiritual experiences (lucid dreams, astralling, etc) in a journal (kasiya_ajna) separate from our group journal. Our main group journal is for our more everyday posts.

Thank you for your post. :)