Puppet people

[nontrinity.livejournal.com]

In our inner worlds, we have lots of "puppet people" we created to make the worlds seem less empty and desolate. They don't have their own free will or anything, but they're just puppets we can tell what to do. Forgive me, but I'm just a bit confused... but I've heard systems say they have hundreds and hundreds of people, but most of those people stay in the inner worlds. Do they have puppet people too, and count them as part of the system? Sorry if I've offended anybody, but I was just pondering that over a bored mind...

Tryppi

Comments

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

I've never run across any such people on Laura, but I don't doubt that in some other systems they do like you said. The way gateway systems usually work, there is a world or dimension somewhere else and then people come through an access point and use the earth body if they want to. We don't experience Laura as an "inner" world but some systems do.

I know some groups created one or more worlds deliberately, for their people to live on and to invite friends and so on. This is sort of a ramble and I don't know if it answers your question but that's what comes to mind right now.

[sharpsight.livejournal.com]

(...though there's the question... if your physical form and your brain died, do you believe that Laura would continue to exist, that people would continue to live and interact with each other within that world?)

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Oh, yes.

[sharpsight.livejournal.com]

Ahh. *nods slightly*

That's...

"Interesting.

"Out of curiosity... what do you believe the nature of the relationship between your physical body and Laura to be, what was the manner of its forming, and if said body died could another be formed? For that matter, would it be theoretically possible for two two be formed at the same time, and in a carefully-controlled experiment information passed from one room to another without passing through the intervening distance by any normal means of communication?"

*abruptly ceases wild speculation; listens curiously for [a] response before continuing [with said speculation/thought experiments (no pun intended)]*

[idianshire.livejournal.com]

I know these questions weren't directed at us, so hope you don't mind me jumping in. It's a question we have struggled with a number of times. If this body dies what would happen to Idia. We do believe it would continue existing, that it is a real place and not reliant on this body. However current beliefs seem to think that the connection between the two had dramatic effects and therefore when the body dies there will be some resulting effect on Idia. Some think of it in the same way as some natural disaster that will change the landscape, or weather patterns or some natural environmental factor.

As for the gates themselves, we believe, well we have a whole detailed mythology around the gates, they aren't something we actually create, they seem to occur/ are created beyond our control. For some tribes this is something connected to our spiritual beliefs, others are a little more pragmatic about it. There have possibly been other gateways in the past, and after this one is closed another might be found. But for us, such things are totally out of our control.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

*points to the first paragraph of what idianshire said* Rough equivalent thereof. We're not sure the body's death will cause anything very catastrophic on Laura. There'll be some changes in the communications setups because we will no longer have need for communications links to the earth world via this physical body.

[sharpsight.livejournal.com]

Hmm. Why 'need'? What is the current setup, and why the difference between the time-period when said body lives and other times?

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Why need? Because if we didn't have communications links how would the frontrunners know what was going on back home and how would we know what was going on with the frontrunners?

Not sure I understand the second question.

[sharpsight.livejournal.com]

Hmm. To rephrase the question... imagining Laura as a persistent phenomenon, did it precede the birth of your body? How did the first frontrunner come to be? As it is, there are frontrunners, and there are communications links between the world and the body--but what happens after the body dies?

What was the purpose of there being frontrunners, connections to your body, and if there was a good purpose, then why would it not apply after the body died?

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Laura is an independent world and exists independently of any of us. After the body dies, Laura goes on as it always has. Your questions in the second paragraph are a subject of metaphysical speculation (metaphysical in the same sense as discussing "Is there a God?" or "Why are we here?"), you'll get different answers from everybody.

This discussion ought to go to email at this point or we'll have one of those threads that runs right off the screen, also it'll sidetrack from the main point of what nontrinity was asking.

[sharpsight.livejournal.com]

Good point. Email sent to your livejournal address.

[zocchihedron.livejournal.com]

What he's explaining may have been very similar to what had occured at the end of Mytharria. Several 'alterate' figures vanished through a gate after two were defeated.

I really need to spend more time sitting and thinking on this.

[sharpsight.livejournal.com]

[lack of understanding due to lack of knowledge]

[garden-keep.livejournal.com]

We don't have multiple inner worlds as much as we have different sections of the same world. We call this place the Garden. It has a beach to the west, ice fields and some meadows to the north, an ivy-covered wall to the east, and rock fountains and our sleeping places to the south.

We have what we call "sleepers", but they don't get up and walk around. They're just kinda there until they wake up for whatever reason. All of us except for Leesha were sleepers until we woke up for different reasons. That's the closest we can think of to your puppet people.

[idianshire.livejournal.com]

Jayla was all offended by this, but she's been in a crabby mood for weeks so don't take that personally.

Our other world has a population based on the last census of just over 500. Any one of those people can access this world if they choose, and of course not all of them do, or at least not in the same day. Our other world landscape is naturally geographically isolated so there might even be other people in other locations. Anyone who has ventured over the mountains has never returned so we don't know.

All those that populate Idia are for the lack of a better word "real people". I personally have never heard of people creating "puppet people" like you speak of, but I have heard of people creating very detailed inner worlds so I wouldn't think it was impossible or strange to do so.

[nontrinity.livejournal.com]

Sorry to have offended you, Jayla.

We create the people as just extensions of the world. We made the world, and since there's only aroun 16 of us, with the world being pretty big, we've made the puppet people as sort of extras that just hang around in the background, or run the clubs and whatnot.

Tryppi

[idianshire.livejournal.com]

Don't worry about Jayla, she just has her knickers in a bunch.

These puppet people, do they have free will, can they act independently, self determined, or at they like.. now here's my chance to have a bad choice of words.. thinking.. ornaments, holograms, extensions of the people that created them?

[nontrinity.livejournal.com]

They don't have free will, they're really just extensions of the landscape. Things we control, like the weather in the sky or something of that sort, I guess.

Tryppi

hmm

[submissives.livejournal.com]

We at one time had over 1000 people in here. We thought some had integrated at different points, and while a few really had, the majority that we thought had integrated had really just moved to different worlds. We only knew of the main world at the time so had no way of knowing this. Anyway after that a lot of them became what i believe someone referred to as "sleepers". i just called them inactive bcuz they could at any time they wanted wake up and come back to the main world....at least i think they could.
~sj

[kasiya-system.livejournal.com]

Can you describe what a puppet person is/means to you? I'm not clear exactly what that is. Thank you.

-Jenilee

[nontrinity.livejournal.com]

A puppet person is made the same way we make items and landscapes in our world. Since our world isn't an actual place that existed outside of our own imagination, we have no others there to make the place look... I guess more populated. So we just fashion these "extras" that hang out in the background, run the various clubs or stores we've got sitting around... they are puppets that one of us is just controlling to make things look more homely, really.

Tryppi

[newmoon17.livejournal.com]

Well, I do not have 'puppet people', however we can go into robot mode. IE Corda and I take a backseat, and use the body like a puppet, sending it commands. Very useful in games that require bluffing, or when acting when we need an instant emotion (because the command 'anguish' immediately makes the body feel anguish, etc.)

Also, when Corda and I are both fronting at the same time, Keza is formed - I suppose she would be more like you 'puppet people'. No free will of her own, and no thoughts of her own. She is simply Corda and me (Jenai) both interacting with the world at the same time. She is a blend of both of us, yet not a seperate entity.

Other than that, I do not think I have experienced anything similar.

[nontrinity.livejournal.com]

Our puppet people are SORT of like Keza. They are extensions of ourselves that we use to make things in our inner world look more homely. That's the only way I can really describe it.

Tryppi

[zocchihedron.livejournal.com]

Keza only forms under certain conditions?

[newmoon17.livejournal.com]

She is called at will, but we both have to concentrate and 'blend' - not a real blending as we both still comminucate to eachother, but she is a blend of our traits with no thoughts of her own. Unlike robot mode, where we take a backseat and order the body as it runs itself, when we blend into Keza we are both fronting simultaneously. I suppose she would be what counselor's call 'integration' - a helpful state sometimes, but not very ideal. She is good when Corda wants to be out, but we have to talk normal - as Corda gets more freedom to act, but can say things through her voice without sounding odd.

Keza takes a lot od concentration to maintain though, I am not sure why. Usually we stay seperate, we can switch many times a minute really easily, but blending for long periods of time is wearing. Robot mode we can run for a long time though, its actually quite restful, like taking a break fro a bit from life while still knowing what is happening.

[talaea.livejournal.com]

I think I know what you mean. Our main system, the shadowechoes don't have as vast an inside world such as our part of the system. Theirs is just a house, so there is no need for "extras". However, Our world is much more extensive and we do have something your world might call "puppet people". Since all of us from the Talaea are dromaeosaurids (otherkin/therians), our world is fashioned after a North American Cretaceous environment - and just like the invented landscape, there are often landscaped "extras" such as herds of prey to keep us occupied in our inside lives. They have no real sentience or awareness like true system members, just like the plants that make up the landscape's ecosystem are "living things" yet not living parts of the system - they are just merely additions to the scenery.