[identity profile] pilgrimchild.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] multiplicity_archives
I would like to introduce myself to everyone... our group name is Pilgrim.
We're in therapy. Have been stuck for a LONG long time, there are a dozen of us or so. But in the last couple weeks, the littlest ones have been working the hardest, and us older ones are actually learning from them. Odd how the smallest can actually be the wisest sometimes.

Date: 2005-03-09 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] changelyng14.livejournal.com
yay! you got it to work :P

hi! :)

Date: 2005-03-09 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
*applause*

Like we were saying, a lot of people we've talked to say that the young people in a system should be listened to -- just like kids not in a system. Any good parent will tell you they learn from their born kids as well, same thing :)

Date: 2005-03-09 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] divine-sinners.livejournal.com
The youngest can often times be as wise as the oldest. Our youngest is Jenny, and both Niz and I respect her deeply. She often seems to have the simplest solutions to problems we've blown too far out of scale.

Afiel

Date: 2005-03-09 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] safeplacers.livejournal.com
We agree that sometimes us smaller ones are cleverer than some older ones. especially our front one who did not know about all this till now. some people would think she was in charge because she was the front for a few years but mostly she did front stuff for us and not much else. shes 34 but really much less. me panello is 8 but and it feels like shes 8 and Im 20.
saying hello to tuck and godzilla boy.too. we read on your page about them and I think they sound like great fun. I like stories too.

bye
Panello

Date: 2005-03-10 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] changelyng14.livejournal.com
for us, its all backwards.
the children are the elders, and the adults are the newly arrived.

i swear our 'frog' thinks he's mr miaggi :P
but he's cool :)

Date: 2005-03-10 06:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
In our world there is total emancipation and children often run things, especially telecommunications, computers, small businesses and religious temples and shrines.

Hihi Pilgrim

Date: 2005-03-10 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reinahada.livejournal.com
We're in therapy too. Is yours scary? Ours is scary. We're afraid to come out and talk to our therapist because she said we were parts and not people. She doesn't really understand. I wish we could make her understand.

Anyways, of course we younger ones are wisest. We play the most!

Distraida-Littles

Re: Hihi Pilgrim

Date: 2005-03-10 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sethrenn.livejournal.com
We're afraid to come out and talk to our therapist because she said we were parts and not people.

Urp. You might look for a new therapist. Who would want to come out to talk to someone who refuses to acknowledge you as what you really are? It's no wonder if you're scared.

Re: Hihi Pilgrim

Date: 2005-03-10 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
Nobody likes to be treated like they don't exist. If she says you're parts and not people, no wonder you don't want to com eout. Phooey. I agree with [livejournal.com profile] sethrenn^Shiu.

Re: Hihi Pilgrim

Date: 2005-03-10 01:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shatterstorm.livejournal.com
Has one or more of you told your therapist why you won't talk to her? If someone is brave enough to explain that to her, she might listen. Or she might stay rude. Then you'll have to stop by the therapist store on the way home and pick another one. ;)

Re: Hihi Pilgrim

Date: 2005-03-11 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reinahada.livejournal.com
Yeah, we've talked to her twice about being people and not parts, and both times she talked about "the i word." Unfortunately we're not sure what our options for other therapists are, and we aren't sure if we can talk to our case manager about it, and we're afraid to tell our therapist we want a new therapist.

Distraida

Re: Hihi Pilgrim

Date: 2005-03-11 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
Okay, she's clearly in the ISSD camp;
http://www.issd.org/indexpage/isdguide.htm scroll down to part III.

Without knowing more about your situation I can't tell you how to find out what your options are, but if you want a new therapist you need to be proactive about getting one.

Having a case manager sounds as if you're in involuntary outpatient commitment, or at least some kind of government-sponsored program. In this case I'd go to the case manager. She's supposed to be your contact for any problems or questions you have. If she doesn't know how to get you a new therapist, she can refer you to someone who does.

Re: Hihi Pilgrim

Date: 2005-03-11 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shatterstorm.livejournal.com
Interesting viewpoint. Don't like it. Growth and healing should be choices, and that just sounds way too paternalistic for our tastes.

We follow "hold the whole person to be responsible for the behavior of all." It has taught us to treat ourselves and the people around us gently and protectively. Improved our communication a lot too. There's always an adult or three somewhere near the front, and we've been spending a lot of time helping one another. We're much happier living like this.

But we don't hold with integration being a required goal. Someone in here taught a bunch of the kids to start chanting "hell, no, we won't go!" whenever the topic comes up. It is rather funny. ;)

Re: Hihi Pilgrim

Date: 2005-03-11 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shatterstorm.livejournal.com
I'd suggest starting with the case manager. The therapist has already shown that she's unwilling to listen to you. In any relationship, therapy or not, that's a death knell.

Brainstorm a bit, make a list of what you want to work on in therapy. We've found being assertive with medical types has often gotten us the help we need in a timely manner. My list would include things like improving internal communication and help with ptsd and trauma issues.

Re: Hihi Pilgrim

Date: 2005-03-11 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reinahada.livejournal.com
one time she referd to litls as parts that wana be babied. we not parts wana be babied. some of us ar babies. but ar bigses are confuzd.

distraida-litls

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