Multiplicity

Razors was sitting outside of the body and sitting on the bed?

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don't be sorry. thank you for responding. i only see it as a disorder because razors does stupid shit and abusive stuff and generally hurts others and the body. if we could figure out how to calm her down then i would be comfortable with the situation. we also have the problem with managing our time. Nothing is a major personality but does not have any particular function, so she is most apt to get frustrated with not getting out enough. it seems like she mostly comes out to apologize for razors being a brat. lol.

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qilora.livejournal.com

i am not sure what klonopin is, but thorazine being a neuroleptic might be contraindicated in your case if you are a multiple...

multiples have told us that neuroleptics interfere with in-house communication and therefore can be counter-productive when it comes to becoming more functional...

Julia.

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thank you. i will bring it up with the doctor. i have noticed less communication, its harder to reach each other.

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We take methotrimeprazine which is an antipsychotic, although at low dosages it is more an antianxilectic (however you spell anti anxiety). We take a very low dosage, usually 1/3 of a 25g tablet prn. |We haven't found any diminishing of communication when we take it, in fact it cuts down on the agitation enough so we can actually communicate with each other. I am not promoting medication, in fact generally speaking I am majorily anti the medication route when it becomes the primary and often only method of "help" provided. I think too much emphasis is placed on medication, and I also am beginning to see that often the benefits of medication are extremely exaggerated. But with that said, I don't believe in completely throwing out the idea of using medication as one of many aids/help if it is useful and needed.

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likewise we are not anti-meds...

we are on tegretal for seizures and its had no ill effect on our in-house communication..

we have heard from many plurals that neuroleptics can interfere with in-house communication and it is something to keep in mind...

Julia.

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Our reasons for being somewhat anti-meds comes from noting that in some cases, the doctors seem to be surprised that the cocktail they've prescribed has had a detrimental effect on the patient's liver.

There's something very wrong there, but that's hardly the case at all times.

--Me/Us

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I think it's anxiolytic... at least that's what the psychiatrist at our old clinic we worked at used to call it

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Thanks, that's what I meant, I just can't spell for shit

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Very tiny doses of antipsychotics are now given as mood stabilizers... it seems to work fine for some people, but the dose must be kept very low, and then it's on your record that you took an antipsychotic and you have to explain it to the next doctor... :b

We had Elavil and Ritalin for sleep problems in college, just for a few weeks, and were fine with it except the Ritalin gave us eye twitches, so we backed off of it. Andy does very well with tiny doses of Xanax p.r.n. for anxiety but hasn't needed to take any in years.

We'd just prefer to take herbal remedies and natural medicines for things like that -- cheaper, doesn't mess up the operating system, and less risk of chemical toxicity. Plus, we can work out for ourselves what we need -- no having to work with an idiot-ass doctor.

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That's why I think I am incredibly lucky, partly because of lucking out in some really good professionals and partly because of our insistence and advocacy work. The doctor we see for our pyschological issues does not prescribe. With the mehto, we saw him and said, we are having certain problems and am already doing certain things. We had a long discussion about what might be helpful and what might not. We also had the pysch nurse we talked about in a previous post with us as "professional back up" in needed. We went through all the possiblities he could think of, went through the literature and chose one. He hasn't actually prescribed us a dosage per se, the script says 25mg because it's the lowest dosage the pills come in, and he left it up to us to experiment with how much we needed to take.

In NZ, at least, unless you are under a compulsory treatment order doctors can not force any medication to be taken. Even when we were really unwell we used to demand to know all details about the medication and often would refuse meds we didn't deem to be helpful. It caused some trouble I will admit, and actually has us flagged as trouble makers.

We are just incredibly bolshy, but actually the professionals we now work with say that is one of the things they admire about us.

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They're giving benzodiazepines for schizophrenia? Well, anything's better than Thorazine!

Originally Klonopin was for epilepsy.. then they started giving it for panic and anxiety problems. The only problem we have heard with klonopin is people we know have reported getting toxicity even when taken correctly at relatively low doses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine

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Yeah, he's been on Klonapin for awhile... it may have been to counteract some other things he was taking.. he was taking quite a few different meds.. he was prescribed with that as one of his meds.. like about 15 years ago.. maybe 14...

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recently i met razors like she was outside of my body. has anyone had this experience?

We have experiences of seeing ourselves outside of the body, I wouldn't say it is often that this happens, but enough to be accepted as part of our experience.

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thank you for your response. the whole episode really freaked everyone out.

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Well I have to admit I thought I had gone insane the first time it happened with me. At the time I had never heard of anyone experiencing anything like it. Now it's well, normal, or at least it's no longer freaky

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i have heard some of this system say they've seen people inside and thought they were seeing them outside the physical body. It took some time to sort out that wasn't so & i know of another system where things happened inside that they just assumed happened outside of it in r/l when in fact it was all happening inside *in their inner world*.

Its possible thats what has happened to you, but i cannot say for certain either.

{J}tatiana

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Hi there, and welcome! Hmmm, well, after reading this post and going to see your journal, I'm really not sure what's right to tell you.

"right now we are on prozac, klonopin, and thorazine. have these meds helped anyone?"

I was gravely and lastingly harmed by all three of them... and I never had all three at once. A great deal of the difficulty I had in my life was not the result of my actual problems, but rather the result of so-called "treatment" for them that consisted of drugging me into compliant zombiehood. All three of the drugs you name are dangerous and can cause long-term (even lifelong) side-effects. If you didn't already know this, time to do a little research (http://www.breggin.com/).

On the other hand, you can't quit those drugs cold-turkey, because the withdrawal symptoms would most likely put you in the mental hospital, where they'd just drug you up again. You need a doctor's help if you're going to get off them, and even so, it's going to be pretty hairy. Since the doctor you've got is the one who put you on them, she may not be willing to take you off - she may very likely think that the drugs are all that's holding you together at present, and that your going off them now would lead to disaster - and she could be right.

The other thing: I see from your journal that you're actively attempting to starve yourself to death - you say straight-out that that's your intention - and you're a member of several pro-anorexia communities. You also cut. So I guess the real question in my mind is, how the heck do you expect anything to help when you're deliberately pursuing a path of self-destruction?

I know, that sounds harsh; it's probably not at all what you expected or hoped to hear. But untactful as it may be, it is the pertinent question, because nothing is going to get better until you decide to stop trying to die and start trying to live. You say you're terrified of institutions, and having been in one myself, I'd say that's an absolutely rational terror, but... what other destination do you think your current path is leading to?

As for what you saw beside your bed: with the drugs you're on, hallucinations are very common. That's not the only possible explanation and certainly not the most 'romantic' one, but I'd say it's the most probable one - therefore the one to go with unless/until you have good reason to think otherwise.

What help can we be to you here? What help would you like to receive? I feel sad for you; you're obviously very frightened and in a lot of pain and not receiving much real help from your doctor, whom you don't trust enough to tell the truth. I'd like to be able to offer some sort of aid-and-comfort, but I've got major reservations about trying to do so, because I'm wondering if what you're really looking for is "permission" to keep on destroying yourself, such as the pro-anorexia communities offer.

Therefore... and I'm truly sorry... no aid-and-comfort at the moment, only some hard and probably painful questions. Do you want to live? Can you try to find the courage to do whatever it takes so you can live? If so, I think many people in this community would like to help you. I don't speak for anyone else here, but if what you're seeking is actually people to help you die, then... sorry, but I don't do that.

Think about it, 'kay? Because it's an important question, and if no one else is asking it, then you might not have considered it in quite those terms before.

I guess I do have one piece of aid-and-comfort to offer: of all the kinds of "help" I tried during my bad times, there was only one thing that REALLY helped, and that was Al-Anon. Al-Anon's free, it's everywhere, it's anonymous, they won't preach at you or psycho-analyze you, you don't even have to talk until you're ready... and every other person in the room has known Despair up-close-and-personal, just like you. It might make all the difference, the same as it did for me, and if not... well hey, doesn't cost anything to try, right? The number'll be in the phone book.

Good luck, whatever you decide - I wish you peace,

~Jess

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thank you jess

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"recently i met razors like she was outside of my body. has anyone had this experience?"

Constantly. It's the only way we experience each other.

"right now we are on prozac, klonopin, and thorazine. have these meds helped anyone?"

Helped anyone with what? You're taking a lot of nerve-deadening chemicals in kind of a strange combination. Why prozac and klonopin? What reason did your doctor give for putting you on those?

Did you know that doctors often put people on antipsychotics now merely for disclosing that are multiple or think they might be multiple? If you are trying to stay out of institutions, never tell a doctor that you feel you might be multiple or that "others are trying to take over my body"... they now treat such claims as a thought disorder.

Medicines like that do not usually help with communication or getting your operating system together because they tend to muddle your thinking. They can have nasty side effects that will last the rest of your life. I'd ask your doctor a lot of hard questions and make her answer them, don't let her get vague and evasive on you.

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that's true... about being put on stuff just for acting weird.. when I/we were in the hospital and were all stressed over something or other that was going on in our life, I was saying things like "it wasn't me who was trying to hurt myself, it was so-n-so"... big mistake.. but we were a wreck at that time anyways.. so they put me on Zyprexa.. they told me it was to help me sleep.. so anyways, it was in our medical record and the current dr was asking about why someone would be me on this.. because it was an anti-psychotic or whatever.. and I told him that it was to help me sleep.. and that's when he started up about the schizophrenia thing... and asking if I had it........ I'm edgy tonight.. sorry I'm posting so much everywhere.................

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why someone would put me on this...

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i am on klonopin for anxiety, prozac for depression, and low doses of thorazine because it helps as a mood stabilizer, apparently. i know its a strange combo, maybe i need to study these meds more closely. thanks for all your help though.

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you may want to try risperdal instead. Technically its an anti-psychotic but for us in a very low dose it works as an anti-anxiety med and mood stabilizer. We are also on lexapro for depression.

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right now we are on prozac, klonopin, and thorazine. have these meds helped anyone?

As

ksol1460 said, help with what? Prozac in small doses helped us with reducing anxiety and tics, but we didn't like the side effects so we ultimately quit taking it. Klonopin in, again, small doses, helped us with anxiety-- it can be habituating though. We've had no personal experience with Thorazine, but haven't heard much about it that's positive.

None of the drugs we took helped us with system management or communication. The feeling we got was often more that they just made us indifferent to the issues causing us problems, making it so that we didn't care about them-- they were still there when the drugs wore off. We find that our communication is better when we're not taking anything regularly.

We're pro-choice on medication; if you're informed about the potential side effects and agree to all possible risks, it's fine, although we don't think it's a good long-term solution for the reasons cited above. We had good luck in many cases with small doses of specific drugs, although we also take seriously the reports of those who say they weren't helped or were harmed by the same medications-- individual biochemistry can be quite different; what helps one person can give another person psychotic episodes, which is why it's important to start with small trial doses. At any rate, I would concur that the combination of things you're taking may very well be making it difficult for your system to communicate, and therefore to resolve disputes.

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Hello and welcome.

We've noticed that all of a sudden we started being able to see one another outside the body after we were put on seroquel (an anti-psychotic) for 3 months. We still have shakes from being on that medication (physical shakes, I mean). Generally when we were on that medication, people like myself would feel like I was 4-10 feet away from the body (although I didn't realize it was my body at the time), watching someone else front. It was very disorienting.

Now, it seems to be just the opposite; I can see others when they're out as if they are in the room with me but not the other way around.

I hope that helped a little.

Welcome to the community,
Juliana of WhisperSung

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The only time I ever saw anyone in-House as being outside our body, was when I was perscribed Trillifon...I think that's the name..after I got out of the hospital. It was a neuroleptic. It also made me feel like I was hit on the head with a sledgehammer. Personally, I don't know how anyone, with the exception perhaps of those who are actively hallucinating, could work on their problems or in-House relationships with neuroleptics having their various strange effects.
Best of luck to you.

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thank you

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I visited your journal, and just wanted to say I hope you guys develop a healthier relationship with food someday. I hope this isn't out of line, but if I had a parent saying very critical things about my body, I wouldn't give him the satisfaction of altering my body along the lines of what he says. There could be really basic reasons why you all are having the feelings that require medication to level them out, and it's could be the way you have been treated by people very close to you.
Besides, dieting can lead to emotional instability and depression.
Again, hope I didn't offend.
Morpho of Tir Nan Og

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Heh. Actually, I have had a parent criticizing my body, and we DID make it more along the lines of what they expected! Bad scene. I guess that's why it struck a cord.

Roman of Tir Nan Og

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The only time I ever saw anyone in-House as being outside our body, was when I was perscribed Trillifon...I think that's the name..after I got out of the hospital. It was a neuroleptic. It also made me feel like I was hit on the head with a sledgehammer.

We heard from a group who were put on that apparently for no other reason than for being multiple. I'm amazed they communicate as well as they do.

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thank you for your input. i will try some of those herbal things. i am on very low dose of prozac, 5mg a day.

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There are several herbal teas that can help with general or specific anxiety. I use Tension Tamer (http://store.ediblenature.com/tension-tamer----cs.html) from Celestial Seasonings, and occasionally Sweet Dreams (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/drsoda/bigsweetdrea.html) by Bigelow if I can't sleep because of anxiety. I buy both of them at my grocery store.

If you have panic attacks as part of your anxiety, I highly recommend Rescue Remedy (http://www.bachflower.com/rescue_remedy.htm). The kind I use is in the drop form, and it really helps me to calm down when I feel anxious. It's a bit harder to find than the teas I use, but I pick mine up at Wegmans grocery store. It's rare that I find it at other stores. You can buy it online here (http://directlyfromnature.com/BachEssences.htm) if you are interested.

Some of the creatures in my head came to me and asked if they could live in my head because they were fleeing a bad place. I have met several other multiples who have experienced this phenomenon. When I first met those "people," I saw them outside of my body, and since then, they show up only in headspace, so I would say your experience is, if not typical, at least not abnormal.

I support medication under specific circumstances only. You should know what the medication is, what it is designed to treat, what else it is used to treat (ie: certain SSRI's like Celexa are used to treat OCD,) the possible side effects, how commonly they occur, and the severity. Prozac is a pretty strong anti-depressant. I don't know what your dosage is, but I suspect you are getting "too much" of it. I've heard some bad things about thorazine as well. Also, if I remember correctly, those are all long-term mood-altering drugs. Often times, if you take a low level dose of a SSRI (instead of prozac) for several months, your body will naturally correct it's chemical imbalance. That's what happened to me when I was on Celexa for 9 months. When I started taking Celexa, it was the newest thing on the market, and since then they have developed even less invasive drugs that are less habit forming.

I would highly recommend that you talk to your doctor about being multiple and how your system functions, as certain drugs can interfere with system functioning. If he immediately wants to put you on drugs to "fix" your multiplicity, go see another doctor. You have choices. There are doctors out there who know about functioning multiplicity (though they are few and far between.) You don't have to settle for a doctor who doesn't know how to properly treat you.

When new people are waking up in my system, their patterns of behavior have a big influence over the behavior of my system as a whole, especially when I don't know who is waking up or anything about them. You may have someone new trying to wake up, or a set of new people.

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In addition to what

fireincarnation recommends, I strongly suggest you go to the health food store and get some milk thistle extract. It comes in capsules and is not very expensive. Take two with meals. It helps your liver clean toxins and foreign chemicals (like your meds) out from your system so they won't just stay in there and cause trouble. It is good to take milk thistle whether you stay on meds or not -- in fact, anyone who is on meds should be taking milk thistle and a megavitamin. They will not counteract the medication and may even help it to work more efficiently so that you won't need as much.

(Some other herbal preparations do have interactions with SSRIs and you should do some research, say in Prescriptions for Natural Medicine, before using them.)

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