I don't know if i have a right to post here....

[luciastorm.livejournal.com]

I feel that this is a very personal space.
I'll introduce myself, you can call me lucia. I myself just have the one person - a singlet as you would call me... but for the past 3 years I have been with my partner who is a multiple. So far i have only found 3. But the last one only came to my knowledge within the last 6 months. The other two do not know about him and i find myself having to cover his tracks rather regularily when he tells them things like what they are getting for christmas when they are dozing. (grr) Anyway i have read a lot about other personalities being created to shield somebody from the harm of abuse or torture and i just wanted to know if there is any body else who was born multiple - not created from some early childhood trauma?
For as long as he can remember he has had his other multiple (for neither of them know about the third) and he has some very early memories (earlier than the scientific community say humans are supposed to remember) Can any of you comment on either of these two things? The very early memories and the natural occurance (as opposed to a creation due to great stress) of a multiple. He says that he was born like that and i know he would have told me if something awful happened to him when he was young.....
Any response welcome and appreciated

xxxxLuciaxxxx

Comments

[saturniakitty.livejournal.com]

I'm also a natural-born multiple and have early memories (though I didn't realize I was a multiple until around 4 yeares ago), but I never considered a connection between the two. That might be something to look into...

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[luciastorm.livejournal.com]

well i don't know if any will believe this but he has described to me memories of when he was a baby - too young to talk or walk yet he describes things too vividly for them to be false memories.

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[tir-nan-og.livejournal.com]

Not impossible. I have a memory of a time when I must have been about six months old, and there was a detail I remembered that was corroborated by my mum.

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[saturniakitty.livejournal.com]

My earilest memories are from when I was around two, but not from when I was a baby... but I suppose it's possible.

[iamshadow.livejournal.com]

I have several memories from the first house I lived in, and we moved out when I was 18 months old.

It's just a difference in how people remember. Some people remember very early, some don't have any memories of childhood until relatively late - five or six, even. Everyone is different, it's not a multiplicity thing, just a general population thing.

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[beyli.livejournal.com]

I've got a few preverbal memories. Hard to express since I didn't have the concept of language ate the time but they're there. Its very possible.

oh and....

[luciastorm.livejournal.com]

Do you find your multiples have tasks or purposes, like some are healers, some are protectors etc. Or do they just co-exist?
The purposes for a personality seems to stem from their creation but as a natural born multiple do you still find the same occurances?

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[saturniakitty.livejournal.com]

Well we have one who's job is just to be the "autopilot", and Daz has taken on the role of protector, but other than that no one has a specific purpose.

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[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Our people have various interests and occupations both here and back on our homeworld (where people in our system go when they're not up front).

(People in a multiple system are people, not multiples - :) I know the terminology (http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/glossary.html)'s funky)

That doesn't mean that we can be categorized in terms of tasks or emotions -- "the angry one", "the brainy one", and all that. That concept comes from the idea that all multiplicity involves one single consciousness which divides itself into its component parts. That does happen -- some people in this community can describe it more fully -- but it can't be applied across the board.

Example: If I get mad, that's me, Jay, getting mad -- I don't step aside for someone else to "handle the anger". That isn't the way our system operates. The way I handle my own anger is not the way that, say, Andy or John would handle theirs.

The idea that people in a multiple system all come into being for a reason having to do with life difficulties originated with Cornelia Wilbur's theories on the origins of multiplicity. There's nothing wrong with this idea, except that it isn't as universal as Wilbur and her adherents would have had us believe.

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[luciastorm.livejournal.com]

Sorry! i really don't mean to offend... i only say multiples because im blonde and its easier to get my head round!
I know they are people and i see my partner's People as individuals - it's just difficult to convey online..

When my partner gets really angry number #2 slips out and handles it - he is the bad one..if he ever got in a fight or argument its always number #2 that does it or at least influences it, number #1 is very peaceful in his ways. This is the only reason i asked if they had different jobs or functions...
Hope you can forgive my ignorance with the terminology:)

P.S referred to as number 1, 2, and 3 not because they are not indivduals, just a privacy thing..i feel bad saying their names...like talking about their secret.

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[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

What has being blonde got to do with it? Don't stereotype yourself any more than you would stereotype your husband&. From what we've seen of you, you are an intelligent and very caring person who is fully capable of understanding these concepts.

It sounds like your husband's system really does run on the kind of thing, "the angry one," "the bad one", "the peaceful one" etc. They may have set it up this way for a reason, even if they were born plural -- that's not easy for anyone in a culture that denies that multiplicity exists.

Jung was the first to describe people in multiple systems as corresponding to basic types. It was believed that trauma-splitting multiples did this because they were compartmentalizing their emotions and the aspects of their single personality.

Don't worry about not naming them -- your respect for them is admirable. We used to give ourselves handles on line and would never refer to ourselves by our actual names.

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[luciastorm.livejournal.com]

It was just an excuse...i am a little dippy sometimes though.
and....thanks:)

I think that god did put them together for a reason, meybe one day they will do something that they could never have done on their own... i know #2 has helped number #1 get out of lots of sticky situations and protected his life before. And number #1 fronting most of the time means number #2 can't wreak havoc!

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[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

It'd be better if havoc wasn't wreaked by anybody. #2 needs to settle down and behave with honour toward his own people. And that includes you, since you are in a relationship with one of them. It sounds as if when there's not immediate danger, which he's very good at helping in a crisis, he basically has nothing to do so he causes trouble.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Singlets welcome! Don't worry about a thing.

I am in a natural multiple system also. It seems to be quite as common as the trauma-splitting variety. Neither is more "valid" or "real" than the other.

I shouldn't pay too much heed to the dictates of science as to what is and is not possible. When it comes to the brain and mind, they don't know nearly as much as they pretend -- it's 90% guesswork. Particularly when it comes to memory. We have some infant memories also, and so do some members of our birth family. Perhaps there's a genetic factor involved; no one is sure.

However, trauma-split multiples such as Truddi Chase also report infant and very early childhood memories, so I don't think one has anything to do with the other.

[elenbarathi.livejournal.com]

*raises hand* Natural-born multiple here. My 'brother' and I have always shared this body, and there's no evidence of any sort of abuse in our infancy. I don't remember much before age 3 - and he doesn't really talk, didn't speak at all till we were in our 40's, so I don't know what he remembers - but in our baby-book, from my mother's accounts it's pretty clear that there were two of us from the start.

We were joined by our third, duathir, later. He's what people call a "walk-in", not born here. Over the years we've also had occasional "drop-ins" who haven't stayed, but none of them have ever taken corporeal form, what people call "fronting".

None of us are "functions", but we do take on different tasks because we're good at different things, just like it might be in any family.

What the scientific community says people are "supposed to remember"... pff, until a couple of decades ago, the scientific community was saying babies have basically no consciousness at all. Lots of people remember specific details from their infancy; it's really not that uncommon.

Thanks, you guys

[luciastorm.livejournal.com]

You have made me feel really welcome. It's a very secret thing - i can't speak to anyone around me about him and it's good to be able to vent things.
Also all of the literature I have read by multiples telling their stories all tend to include horrific tales of abuse and traumas and I was beginning to think that was the only way other personalities could 'appear'. I am very open minded about it all and I find myself having to be very manipulative in order to let one of the personalities (the stroppy one!) think he's always getting his way and to keep the third a secret until he's ready to unveil himself - though after 24 years of keeping quiet i don't know if it will be any time soon!
xxxxLuciaxxxx

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[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

No, horror stories do not necessarily come with the territory -- something you will not read in any book. It is true for some people, including a lot of people in this community and they can explain how it works for them.

The most important thing is that integration is not necessary to health. Regardless of origin, people in a multiple system can live together in cooperation. It is not necessary to behave irresponsibly or irrationally. And that's something else most of the books don't cover.

http://www.karitas.net/blackbirds/layman
http://www.dreamshore.net/amorpha/
http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/faq.shtml

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[luciastorm.livejournal.com]

That is one thing that really angers me about any so called "scientific" works on multiple personalities or DID. I don't ever want my partner to integrate and neither does he - i don't even think it is possible to do it completely in his case. He doesn't take any medication nor does he seek treatment or therapy, it's just a secret that only those closest to him know about.

[iamshadow.livejournal.com]

It's great that you accept and support them as they are, and are open to the concept of them being able to exist and thrive without 'intervention' from so-called professionals.

Welcome.

[luciastorm.livejournal.com]

I don't know how anybody can call themself a professional on the subject, all the books and literature i have read about multiplicity or DID (which is a lot as a. i used to study psychology and b. i was so confused when i first found out about my partner) has been no help whatsoever and talking to you guys online for a few days has made me feel a lot better and help me to understand things so much more!

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Psychiatry and psychology are soft sciences... 90% of it is made up as they go along and the rest is conjecture.

[luciastorm.livejournal.com]

Thanks:) I couldn't imagine it any other way...