Past lives and bad things

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

A few, if not all of our System, have vivid memories of past lives. Edward remembers working during the time of the Third reich in Germany on clocks or weapons (he cannot define which one), and also of being a Victorian gentleman. Toby, Alexander and Victor however have memories of bad events and circumstances. Toby has memories of raping a girl and commiting suicide, and Alexander believes he has murdered, and was brutally punished. Just to let you know, none of us are Christian, so we do not believe in Hell, or Heaven.

These memories cause nightmares and personality flaws/changes within people in this system. They are constant, and system members believe strongly that they are real. We all believe strongly in karma, and think that the reason that some of us are 'stuck' into this one body is a sin in a past live (muder etc) We beleive that this life is used to 'correct' these mistakes.

We do not think that these past lives are nessercaily those of this body, as Alexander remmebers a different world (or time) from this one.

What do you guys think of past lives, and its associations with multiplicity?

Comments

[tessagratton.livejournal.com]

I believe that the main reason Ter is here with us is because he was/is a rapist and part of his karmic due is to learn to live in a woman's body, with a woman's POV of sex. Maybe, he was "created" to house that bit of our karmic dues. I don't know if I think we all have been together for all our past lives, maybe in varying states of integration, depending on the circumstances.

Being a multiple, I have a hard time knocking the idea of past lives. I've had experiences that suggest past lives as the most plausible explaination, though Luke isn't convinced, because there's no repeatable experimental evidence in support of past lives. (We tell him the same argument is made all the time about multiplicity, but he disagrees, mostly, I think, because multiplicity is *his* experience.)

Dev

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

Ter sounds similar to Toby, although he wasn't a rapist, he did rape a girl, after being raped himself by his stepfather, because he thougth Toby was gay. (and is quite happily being that way now, in my body)Also of interest might be that I am a transgendered male, and all of the headmates living here are also male. I do believe strongly in karmic dues though.

Also, do people treat Ter weirdly, or are afraid of him?(in rl or internet, or internally) Thanks for your reply, it was very insightful ^_^

[tessagratton.livejournal.com]

In rl, people think Ter is cool. Which *I* think is weird. But I'm not sure they really believe him when he indicates what he wants and like, or what he'd do to them if he could. Ter finds it fun and annoying, depending on his mood.

Ter doesn't interact much via the internet, so I don't relaly know.

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

I think thats pretty interesting :D And when Toby first started fronting, he was very similar to that, and had a strong desire to commit rape again. He calmed down afterwards though.

[menokh.livejournal.com]

I'm not fully multiple in that I share my body with a past version of myself. The point though is this past version of myself died at a very young age, around 17, from reasons we're trying to get to the bottom of. These memories were so strong that even before I had acknowledged his existence I did not feel comfortable in the school he went to when I visited there.

*shrugs* I do not pretend to know why I am sharing my body with myself, nor for how long. I do not understand how karma works, except that I believe alot of it is a choice made by one's self in between lives as a way of learning something.

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

I believe that Toby, was my own past life, and I alos have no idea why. However, i do know how he died, the images came to me vividly one day whislt staring at my pagan alter. It was very strange, but I believe that connection and the internal feeling I have towards Toby, prooves to me that he is, me, but before this life.

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

Some of those who are in the group I'm part of lived other lives and then came to be with this group after they died. Maybe it's something like that? I'm sorry for your nightmares. :(

- Butterfly

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

Agreed, i just wonder what the reason of it is. Its a very interesting concept.

~ Toby

[freakshownia.livejournal.com]

Shi is here as a form a punishment, though it's not from a past life for her - as a goddess, she just keeps living.

Puchiko can recall bits and pieces of her most recent past life (and mine as well) but none of us can figure out why we're here, though we know why we're both here together - I lived as her pet cat and we died together.


~Sati

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

Puchiko's a lovely name :3 And wow... interspecies is facinating. As is othekin. Most of my headmates are otherkin, Haydens a kitsune, Toby has black wings, and Alex is a half-demon.

[kyouketsusha.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure what to think, to be honest. I believe in past lives and reincarnation, and I'm actually fictionkin/otakin, but I still feel really weird thinking about it. I'm not entirely comfortable with it even though I'm living it, basically. Both my 'mates lived elsewhere before here, and one of them is dead in that world, and on top of that I know a lot of folks who have past life splits and things like that. I just accept it and try not to think about it. :)

[littlemischa.livejournal.com]

yeah but I don't feel like my old life is a past life because I am still me, just dead!! :)))) lol

like my um spirit or soul or whatever is still the same, just that my body is gone *nodnods* and I can remember everything so I don't think it's quite the same thing :))

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

Oh well, at least they get a chance to live again, I suppose ^_^;

[liedownlovely.livejournal.com]

All of us have differing opinions. Douglas believes this is the first stop on a long road into eternal damnation. All of us remember our past lives to some degree; a few of us feel the 'reincarnation' to this life has made us lose a bit of our former personality, perhaps so we can have redemption for past mistakes.

To some it is the next life... to others punishment... and to others a chance to guide another person through life.

-Muses Anonymous

[krystale.livejournal.com]

Reincarnation is not about punishing past sins. It's about living and learning.

Plus time is fickle, being that time itself is multiple, it is linear, circular, organized and disorganised, it passes in set measures but is relative. I don't think that people have memories of past lives as much as they think they do. I think some of it is that their conciousness really is there in that time. I think this is why a few moments of "memories" can so drastically change someone. Same goes with so called "body" memories.

With regard to reincarnation as it relates to multiplicity... I'm not sure. Reincarnation is about souls. I believe that multiplicity is about bodies and not about souls. I believe that multiplicity will become more and more common as humans destroy more and more. I think that when humans destroy anything with life that life is also reincarnated and more life is becoming human because it believes that if it becomes us it will be safe from us. I believe that once a life becomes a human and succumbs to the whole artificial construct that is the human world they loose touch with real things it can no longer remember how to go back to other forms for other lives. I believe that some non-human alters (yes, I know, but "people" here would have been unclear) who recognise this danger and are trying a new way. I believe that multiplicity is partly a space efficiency measure, a socio/phisiological reuse-reduce-recycle.

But that's just some of our opinions. We also believe that homosexuality is an evolutionary step with regards to population control.

I'm babbling.

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

'I don't think that people have memories of past lives as much as they think they do. I think some of it is that their conciousness really is there in that time. I think this is why a few moments of "memories" can so drastically change someon'


That is a facinating concept :)

[krystale.livejournal.com]

:)

[spiral-seeds.livejournal.com]

Many in our system come from the external world, but we don't seem to have any strong and vivid past-life memories. One member, V, has told me he had a life before entering my body, but he won't say more about it. I think, in part, he may not remember everything. Also, the twins will at times have flashbulb memories that I am able to see when they are fronting. But they are too vague to really gather any sort of story from them. And since they don't talk much, I can only speculate as to what these memories are or where they're from. The twins are deer and humans at the same time (not anthropomorphic. I suppose they would be considered therian. I'm not sure.) so I'm really not sure how that would fit into reincarnation at all. The twins also both have connections to the WWI and WWII eras, but I do not know if these connections go further than general interest in the times or if their interest stems from past memories.

Is it possible for energies to recycle over time? That may be a better theory for some of us than reincarnation, as reincarnation suggests the past existance of a specific being.

[phen0type.livejournal.com]

I do not know if I would call them 'past lives' in the common spiritual sense, but our group members have their own histories separate from the body's.

Richard
Fen Group

[shade-durza.livejournal.com]

I'm the only one of the group that can actually remember a past life. I didn't do anything wrong but died in horrible war with the wish of seeing my wife for that last time. I know I'll meet her again in this life but can't explain why.
Reincarnation, in my opinion, isn't always about atonement but also about resolving other issues.

Funny enough the others don't believe in reincarnation. Even though some of them have clear memories of their own deaths and "waking up" inside this body they refuse to call it that way. I have to agree with them for a part because they can remember everything and are still the same persons; with reincarnation you sometimes miss a lot of information and your personality always changes in a way.
Multiplicity and reincarnation are two seperate things for me, but they can come together if you know what I mean.

The older I get the more I accept and learn about my past life. I used to have horrible nightmares but they are becoming less and less. I think the further you explore this the better you can lay it to rest and move on.

[forever-alone.livejournal.com]

We've got a few very vocal skeptics in our system. Personally I don't believe in past lives/reincarnation because I don't think I believe in the soul. It's something I'm still thinking about pretty frequently, but I'm leaning heavily towards not believing.

[asylum-house.livejournal.com]

A couple of us (my brother and I, Mariposa and Vem) had other lives and came here from somewhere outside. Mari and Vem won't say much about theirs.

Mine and my brother's was confusing, because it wasn't really a past life -- it was concurrent with the one the physical body I live in now was living, so I suppose it was a present life, and then one day we got dragged out of it and stuck in here.

Kind of good, kind of bad; sucks to not have our physical bodies anymore, but the situation we were in before was shit, and we really had no hope of ever changing it, so after years of praying for a ticket out we got one. Never figured it would be quite this way, but oh well.

So if that can happen, I'm sure people could've had past lives, too.

-Micah

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

Thats very interesting! Does that mean the original body is dead, or does it just have a new frontrunner?

[asylum-house.livejournal.com]

I don't know, really, but I'd be reallyreally curious to find out what happened to our original bodies (we had two separate ones!

We grew up in India though (where our host-body-person is also from) but now we live in America, so it is really far to go back to where we used to live and find out. But occasionally the physical body we are in now goes back there (like I said, our host is also Indian, and still has lots of family in our home country) so maybe one day we can see. She lived not far from the town where my brother and I grew up, so if we ever go back to see her family, we are definitely going to go visit our town and see what's what.

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

That is facinating, although I'm sorry for your loss. I wonder what caused you to 'fall' out of your bodies. Perhaps trauma or something? Good luck with everything!!

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

Thanks for all your comments, guys! It seems that theres a lot more people who believe that they have lived before, on or away from this earth. Also, a lot of you are skeptics, thanks all for your wide perspectives! :D

[girl-and-muse.livejournal.com]

[wingedwolf-2004.livejournal.com]

Thanks for sharing, I have never heard of fictionkin before ^_^ What exactly does it mean?

[girl-and-muse.livejournal.com]

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Also known as fictives or soulbonds. (http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/glossary.html#sb)

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

I know that some people have believed or at least speculated that we were "who [birth person] was in past lives." Have heard a lot on the subject from New Age sources -- that that is "what multiple personality really is" etc. Incl. "you did something bad in a past life so it's your karma to be stuck in this body" idea (Consult Jay sometime abt. the concept of karma.). We have no past life memories that we know of, but we believe reincarnation is possible.

My thoughts:

[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

It's how some systems identify. It apparently works well enough for them. If one believes in reincarnation, I can see where that concept makes sense.

I, personally, don't have much of a stance on reincarnation. Therefore, I personally don't have much of an opinion on how it relates to multiplicity.

--Me