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[creamicannoli.livejournal.com]

I am not a multiple, but I have a question. Please forgive me if I sound ignorant. 

If one of your people? commits a crime or does something that the majority of you cannot stand for, what happens? Can you "kick them out" so to speak? Or how would you handle it?

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[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

Do you mean breaking a law here on Earth? Or within a group's personal realm?

[creamicannoli.livejournal.com]

on earth

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

If a crime was broken while using the body, this body and whoever is fronting will have to pay for the crime.

In our own realm we have our own personal laws which may or may not be different than laws here. It would be impossible to "kick someone out". They would lose their "fronting privileges". It's actually a bit more complicated than I feel I can explain in a short comment. Most questions we can answer fairly easy, but this one is more complex.

Kasia

[creamicannoli.livejournal.com]

by fronting, you mean who has control of the body?

Why wouldn't you be able to make them leave?

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

Yes. Control would not be given to anyone who would put this body in risk. Being depressed or sad or stressed is different. We actually haven't had any instances where we've had to lock anyone from the front/control of the body. We've curbed a few and shortened the length of their fronting time due to anxiety they may have felt in a current situation. It was better for their health and for the body's health as well.

It isn't so much that we aren't able to make someone leave. It's more that we would never do that to anyone in our group. Mistakes happen. People become upset or distressed. We would never throw someone away because of something they did. We would always take the time to understand the reasons behind an action and hopefully find a way to help them. It is also a personal belief of mine and many others in our group. No one individual is disposable. No one.

Kasia

[creamicannoli.livejournal.com]

Ok, but ARE you able to make someone leave if it was ever needed?

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

We have had individuals who have "walked in" to our group. The same principle could be applied in reverse.

Kasia

edit: fixed typo

[creamicannoli.livejournal.com]

how does one walk into a group? And what would happen if one left the group on their own? Does that ever happen?

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

It isn't a literal walk. It's more a term we use for those who originated from somewhere other than our realm and then came to be with us. Our group's belief systems revolve around dimensional travel, which may be outside of what this community usually discusses in relation to Multiplicity. We believe individuals can be capable of travelling to different realms. Whether it is a dream realm while sleeping, an astral realm through visualization and meditation, or planar and dimensional realms.

A walk-in would be an individual who travelled from one realm into our realm. With that in mind, it would be easy for that individual to travel away from our realm.

Yes, some have left on their own. We have visitors to our realm who have come and gone. Again, this is our belief and does not reflect how it could be for everyone. It can be different for other groups.

Kasia

[freakshownia.livejournal.com]

If someone can't use the body responsibly, then they're banned from fronting for an appropriate amount of time.

[weirdiguess.livejournal.com]

Doesn't happen here.

[ridetothesea.livejournal.com]

I don't think something like that would happen here. Because if we thought there was even a small chance of somebody doing something stupid enough to get all of us in trouble (like breaking the law in a major way) we wouldn't let them front. And we'd try everything possible to get that person away from front before they could do anything that stupid.

We've never really had anybody break House rules, so I'm not sure if we'd kick someone out or not. It'd depend on the severity of the infraction, I guess.

We don't have anybody here that would do something like that, so it's all theoretical anyway.

[shandra.livejournal.com]

1) Unlikely to happen but we'd go to court & jail like anyone else. Just, all of us. We consider it a group responsibility to be aware of things and if that broke down then we /should/ be in jail for sure, because that's not safe.

2) Nope, we can't kick people out.

[stealthdragon.livejournal.com]

We differentiate between 'illegal' and 'unethical'. Strongly.

1) We're not inherently against performing illegal acts, so long as it's for a good cause and we're also willing to deal with the consequences. (For example, civil disobedience.) But that hinges on the person who's "driving" at the time, getting approval from everyone else first.

2) If one of us does something unethical, or takes that illegal action without the consensus of the group, that's different. We're not capable of kicking people out, but the massive loss of trust would be painful all around. Which is why we don't. We would still deal with the consequences of that action as a group, but any penalties in the external world would be very secondary.

- Quinacridone et. al.

[ricktboy.livejournal.com]

a long time ago, we had someone here, who did bad things.

that sounds like the opening line to some book...lol

okay, what I mean is, I'd begun to slip in my hold on reality when I was younger...I created a "split"...a clone, so-to speak of me, only was what I believed everyone in my life "wanted" me to be.

He did some nasty things, not to other people, but getting us as a whole into some dangerous situations...some that resulted in some horrid experiences.

Faith and Wolf eventually killed him. It wasn't the Pack's choice as a group, we weren't co-conscious enough for that then...but it needed to be done, because they reasoned with him as much as possible, and he refused to leave, saying he was better than me.(Rick) He even threatened, though not in so many words, to kill me, so he could take over full-time.

They did what they had to do. I'm just glad it happened before he got us into trouble that could have resulted in jail time.

Rick
Pack Collective

feel free to contact us by aim: PackCollective
if you have any more in-detail questions.

[creamicannoli.livejournal.com]

I dont use AIM, just yahoo. But how did they kill him? if you dont mind answering?

[ricktboy.livejournal.com]

I don't know, and they've never said.

my yahoo is little_wolf_dhainu but I don't use it much.

[forever-alone.livejournal.com]

We'd all have to take the fall for it.

[20splinters.livejournal.com]

For myself, *I've* never earned jail time, just community service, and I did it myself. And as far as that goes, when we did get busted for shoplifting and sentenced to a day in jail, I served it, because I'm the one that started shoplifting, so I'm still sort of responsible for the idiots in here who think they should pick up all my bad habits. (*I* never would have gotten caught lifting! ;) ) I should say "former bad habits." I've changed most of my bad ways.

But why didn't they try to kick me out or hold me down back when I was doing all that bad stuff? Kicking out just isn't an option very often. Letting someone die in here is, but only if they want to die. Holding back is an option, but they have only rarely tried that with me. Why? I don't know for sure, but as good as I am at getting into trouble, I'm damned near as good at getting out! I think they like and respect that about me.

There's recent stuff in my/our journal about some of my old bad habits and the consequences. I think it starts from the entry titled something like, "Because I'm the one with the Rep."

Joey

[rhymer-713.livejournal.com]

That's a very very good question and not at all ignorant. If some one does something unacceptible, we block then away from front and if it's something illegal, say robbing a bank etc. etc. we all go to jail.

[ex-memepr0g.livejournal.com]

If someone does something that the group doesn't agree with, they lose fronting privileges for a specified period of time and have a talking-to from our Prime Minister.

Luke of Fen Group

[ex-memepr0g.livejournal.com]

And of course, if they do something heinously illegal, we'd all have to pay for it because of the way the legal system works. However, we wouldn't be allowed to do things like that in the first place.