About MK-Ultra: (http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070312/klein) "The manual was based on the findings of the agency's notorious MK Ultra program, which in the 1950s funneled about $25 million to scientists to research "unusual techniques of interrogation." One of the psychiatrists who received CIA funding was the infamous Ewen Cameron of Montreal's McGill University. Cameron subjected hundreds of psychiatric patients to large doses of electroshock and total sensory isolation and drugged them with LSD and PCP. In 1960 Cameron gave a lecture at the Brooks Airforce Base in Texas in which he stated that sensory deprivation "produces the primary symptoms of schizophrenia.""
Basically, on the mind control thing, what I've been able to get from the sources I consider believable amounts to this:
The CIA ran some programs during the 50s, 60s and 70s in which they tried to create Manchurian Candidate-like artificial selves in adult test subjects who were unaware of the purpose of the experiments. There were attempts to see if LSD could be used as a mind-control drug or a truth serum-- there were a lot of LSD experiments run by the CIA. The programs were eventually terminated because, basically, they couldn't achieve their goals-- to create perfectly mind-controlled implanted selves-- and they couldn't find a perfect mind-control drug or truth serum. These things work much better in science fiction than they do in reality, apparently.
That said, I can definitely believe that there are people still out there who remember participating in such experiments, either as a subject or as an experimenter. I don't generally go in for conspiracy theories, but there is some pretty strong, IMO, evidence that the government has actively worked to silence people who tried to speak up about being LSD test subjects, and similar. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson) And the US government is still doing some pretty damn heinous things, as described in the link above, regarding sensory deprivation and forced drugging, that have been well documented by people involved in them, and still using these techniques on prisoners.
However, on some of the more extreme claims I've heard from some people who said they were involved in government mind control experiments, I would really, really need to see more evidence. In all the cases I believed, there was at least SOMEONE who had observed or participated in the experiments, who was willing to speak up about them, and had always remembered it.
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Date: 2007-03-02 05:27 am (UTC)Basically, on the mind control thing, what I've been able to get from the sources I consider believable amounts to this:
The CIA ran some programs during the 50s, 60s and 70s in which they tried to create Manchurian Candidate-like artificial selves in adult test subjects who were unaware of the purpose of the experiments. There were attempts to see if LSD could be used as a mind-control drug or a truth serum-- there were a lot of LSD experiments run by the CIA. The programs were eventually terminated because, basically, they couldn't achieve their goals-- to create perfectly mind-controlled implanted selves-- and they couldn't find a perfect mind-control drug or truth serum. These things work much better in science fiction than they do in reality, apparently.
That said, I can definitely believe that there are people still out there who remember participating in such experiments, either as a subject or as an experimenter. I don't generally go in for conspiracy theories, but there is some pretty strong, IMO, evidence that the government has actively worked to silence people who tried to speak up about being LSD test subjects, and similar. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson) And the US government is still doing some pretty damn heinous things, as described in the link above, regarding sensory deprivation and forced drugging, that have been well documented by people involved in them, and still using these techniques on prisoners.
However, on some of the more extreme claims I've heard from some people who said they were involved in government mind control experiments, I would really, really need to see more evidence. In all the cases I believed, there was at least SOMEONE who had observed or participated in the experiments, who was willing to speak up about them, and had always remembered it.