Meditations on Soulbonding and Reality.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

We were thinking about the nature of reality itself. My system is having a big division over this, even though the peacekeepers such as Godzilla, Tom, and Archimedes are trying to stop this from getting out of control.

Most HalialKers object to Earth as an affront to them and to their morality. Some, such as the Avatar of Death are more accepting, and then there's those like me, Stuart, the ones that moved into the system and now reside in HalialKen. This got me to thinking. If reality is subjective, and if there is validity to certain Quantum Physics theories, then perhaps we are all right. The HalialKers object because they have never seen Earth, which is only an abstract scientific concept to them. Surely, if they choose to ignore my birthplace, then they are entitled to, because even Homo sapiens refuses to acknowledge things outside its purview. The Avatar of Death says that "Earth with all its glory is a place of comfort, for one who commands Death in one world not to have that power on Earth, that is the main reason I front." His opinion is primarily shared by the more upper-class members of the Crew. They know the horrors that HalialKen and the other governments of our world have created, and so they front in a world that for all its problems, is a good deal less horrific than HalialKen. Then there's my school, that don't quite know what to think. Is HalialKen, the Empire of the Halial Dynasty, real or not? And lately, in our chapter meetings, the Baron Harkonnen and Leto II have been proposing that whether or not it started out as real, HalialKen is real now.

Have those of you that had other worlds gone through a phase like this one, where your system is divided on whether it is real or not and if so, how did you pass through it?
Stuart^Crew.

Comments

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

If you'd like, you can post this in more_than_one too. :)

Amalah

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Be sure to crosspost this to worldswithin also. We'll have an answer for you but it'll take a bit of composing.

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

I think we usually come to the conclusion that the literal reality of something is less important than what you do with it. Some people, for instance, judge whether someone's had a true religious experience based on whether it ultimately results in positive lasting change in their life. My definition of a religious experience is really ambiguous, personally-- in fact, I don't have a good definition for it-- but I agree that if that change ends up being produced, it's not important whether something is literally real or real on some other level.

The earth world is currently the place for me to kick back and relax, but I try to bear in mind that our fortunes could change and it could become dangerous for us tomorrow.

[ricktboy.livejournal.com]

we don't have a wildly different world, like some do, we only have our honeycomb.

BUT.

that being said, we ourselves question our reality quite frequently. Rick, especially, has had a terrible time, coming to terms with the fact that he is one of many, and has questioned whether or not HE is real many times.

He's not the only one who's questioned being real here, either. Certainly, though, he's the one who questions most often. We try and support him.

Wolf
Pack Collective

(I'm fairly certain this didn't really answer your question, but I sort of lost my thought train along the way. My apologies.)

[terendel.livejournal.com]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who questions my own reality. Juli keeps telling me it's very simple. "I think. Therefore I am." But sometimes it just seems too simplistic for me. *shrug* And when I get too obnoxious about doubting it, she tells me that she believes in me and that should be enough. I guess she's got a point there.

[kangetsuhime.livejournal.com]

I think most real systems have times of doubt. Sometimes frequently. We do it a lot.

[menokh.livejournal.com]

I always questioned reality, Michael moreso. We've come to the conclusion that reality as we see it is nothing more than an illusion, a holographic projection would be a good analogy. This makes dream worlds and so called "inner worlds" potentially just as real as the "outer world", it is just a matter of who and who many are perceiving them and collapsing their waveform. There could literally be no difference between this reality and the one I day dream about.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Some indigenous people, including some Plains Indians and Southeast Asian cultures, believe that this world is not all there is. In fact, it is a kind of shadow or reflection of another, more real world, which while we are here we cannot perceive directly, but only through things like dreams or visions. Balinese and Javanese wayang puppet theater (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayang) is explicitly dedicated to this idea -- all you see in a performance are only the shadows of the puppets from behind a screen. (http://www.trisanna.com/indonesia/wayang%20kulit%20at%20the%20museum%20140204.jpg)

[menokh.livejournal.com]

That's pretty much what we mean. There could be, and likely are, many holographic projections(reflections) from this deeper reality. What is real? Is the world I sit in now real? How about the worlds I travel too in my mind? How about my mate's world? I say all of them are.

[posywink.livejournal.com]

Our team tackled this question a few months ago in this community, but I think we just wound up confusing some people, including ourselves.

These days, we don't think about "real vs. not real" anymore. We still haven't come to a conclusion, by the way. But we're not trying. We simply reason that if we're not real, then we might as well be real, and that's good enough for our day-to-day living. After all, we each have our own feelings, perceptions, life stories - everything.

-- Natalie