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multiplicity_archivesHere we are, 2 am. Sarika thinks its a good time for us to post on this community. We've been watching for quite awhile. There have been lots of interesting questions and answers written about. We have two things to share with all of you. One of these are more questions, the other is of course our experiances (answers?). Feeling creative is good, so we shall try to communicate as accurately as possible.
Well... we apologize for the long post, we have to learn how to do cuts one of these days. (EDIT - Making him do that now... ~Sarika) *bounces to good music*
Good night to all of you out there who are enjoying this unique and complex way of living.
~Jadaira (typing) and Sarika (bouncing)
First off, for those of you who do not know who we are: We are two membered system, one male one female. Discovered and awaked for roughly two years now. Though we suspect we've been together for quite longer. Currently our belifes do not include reincarnation, walk-ins, etc. We simply think, that some people are not single by nature, and the magnitude of the human mind. Sarika (the female) in our system (such a tacky word in our opinion.. but alas..) tends not to front as often as I (Jadaira) the origonal personality. At the momment we are co-fronting, albeit both tiredly.
Questions:
1. Does anyone out there have trouble communicating on certian days with the others in their system?
2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back abit?
4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
Experiances (our fav part :P)
1. As we mentioned before, there have been times when reading this community when Sarika heard of others like us.. but vastly different jumped up and pointed "faker!". (Shes alil less.. restrained. No offense to anyone in particular) From my POV, the idea that an alternate personality inside me thinks that the alternate personality of another is a farse.. is sorta fucked :P
2. Sometimes when I am typing for Sarika, or for myself. She tends to speak some of the words for me, and I loose them, not in thought, but rather in typing. I look up and find that the word isn't there.
3. Initialy our system only really existed based on, conflict. I only saw her when we conflicted in interest. We found that to be rather grating on both of us and have succesfully sorted most of that issue out. Though now I find that Sarika is only vividly clear when someone challenges her existence.. as if she can somehow front better when acknowledged (denial of existence is acknowledgement).
4. In general our system is very balanced, we do not fight (often). The only unbalance is fronting time. (we're workin on that one). We have however done some very balanced things. For instince, we find that if we front evenly enough (not like someone has fingers the other toes...) that we can both listen and read at the same time, and retain it. (ok fine we were bored in class... try it sometime with two good fronters)
5. DREAMS. These are fun... There now have been a number of cases, where I know we were both dreaming at the same time, however it seems that our body isnt capable of supporting two dream (realms?) at the same time, so we had to interact together. (Need more ram?) This is the first place where I truly saw what Sarika thought of herself. *laughs* Sorry I wish I could simply share some of the banter that She and I do... especially when I talk about embarasing moments XD
Questions:
1. Does anyone out there have trouble communicating on certian days with the others in their system?
2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back abit?
4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
Experiances (our fav part :P)
1. As we mentioned before, there have been times when reading this community when Sarika heard of others like us.. but vastly different jumped up and pointed "faker!". (Shes alil less.. restrained. No offense to anyone in particular) From my POV, the idea that an alternate personality inside me thinks that the alternate personality of another is a farse.. is sorta fucked :P
2. Sometimes when I am typing for Sarika, or for myself. She tends to speak some of the words for me, and I loose them, not in thought, but rather in typing. I look up and find that the word isn't there.
3. Initialy our system only really existed based on, conflict. I only saw her when we conflicted in interest. We found that to be rather grating on both of us and have succesfully sorted most of that issue out. Though now I find that Sarika is only vividly clear when someone challenges her existence.. as if she can somehow front better when acknowledged (denial of existence is acknowledgement).
4. In general our system is very balanced, we do not fight (often). The only unbalance is fronting time. (we're workin on that one). We have however done some very balanced things. For instince, we find that if we front evenly enough (not like someone has fingers the other toes...) that we can both listen and read at the same time, and retain it. (ok fine we were bored in class... try it sometime with two good fronters)
5. DREAMS. These are fun... There now have been a number of cases, where I know we were both dreaming at the same time, however it seems that our body isnt capable of supporting two dream (realms?) at the same time, so we had to interact together. (Need more ram?) This is the first place where I truly saw what Sarika thought of herself. *laughs* Sorry I wish I could simply share some of the banter that She and I do... especially when I talk about embarasing moments XD
Well... we apologize for the long post, we have to learn how to do cuts one of these days. (EDIT - Making him do that now... ~Sarika) *bounces to good music*
Good night to all of you out there who are enjoying this unique and complex way of living.
~Jadaira (typing) and Sarika (bouncing)
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Date: 2006-07-17 09:10 am (UTC)1. Does anyone out there have trouble communicating on certian days with the others in their system?
Yep.
2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
I find it helpful to imagine myself letting go of a set of controls, and stepping away from them.
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back abit?
Not really, no. We all try to suspend disbelief, since mental spaces tend to blur metaphor & 'reality'.
4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
I haven't given it much thought, and thus don't know. If someone is faking, they'll eventually get bored and vanish.
Oh, and we're not disordered. You'll find that view rather common in this community.
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
We do. Completely unmedicated, since there's no 'disease' involved. (Incidentally, someone on mind-affecting medications isn't 'healthy' either, because the issues causing them problems haven't been dealth with. They're buying themselves time to work on those issues without the troubling symptoms.)
- Kat
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Date: 2006-07-17 01:26 pm (UTC)Um... A lot of the time. Communication for us is still very jumbled. It's difficult to come up with a system to help us do so though, so we haven't yet.
2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
We're not very good at this either. There are distinct times of clarity where we'll realise that someone else has taken over but I don't know how the switch occurs.
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back abit?
No... but there have been times when I've been confused about the reality of myself and the others. It's not a very fun topic, as I'm sure you can imagine. It tends to upset people if you begin to think that they may not be real.
4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
I don't think any harm could really come to the community as a whole, but I think it could definately harm themselves. Mostly emotionally.
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
We're not really that healthy.
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Date: 2006-07-17 03:33 pm (UTC)Definitely. With us, it tends to vary with stress levels. When the system--or certain members--are under a lot of stress, communication tends to break down.
2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
I am the main host, but I don't seem to have an awful lot of control over that. My doorkeepers are the main ones in charge of coordinating who is in and out at any given time, and I don't really know how they do it.
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back a bit?
We have dealt with this, yes. Before we knew we were multiple, we had a core group that did the bulk of the fronting. When we first found out we were multi, I and several of the others in this group (white group) thought we were the only ones. Over time, Monica, the head doorkeeper, began to reveal to us that there were others in our system who were structured totally differently (specifically the red and purple systems).
As far as outside people's systems...no, I kind of take other's claims at face-value.
4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
I can't say I've really thought much about it. I don't think it would really hurt the community, short of perhaps causing a flamewar or somesuch, but it might end up messing with the faker's head. I don't know.
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
We consider ourselves mostly fuctional. Not all the way to healthy yet, but working on it.
Sara
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Date: 2006-07-17 05:39 pm (UTC)2. I seldom want to, but in the event that I do, it's a conscious feeling of simply letting go and dropping into the passenger seat.
3. Neither I nor my peers have any opinion on the validity of others' systems or claims. We take them at their word unless they prove or disprove them to us in some way otherwise.
4. I cannot see much harm aside from them making the credibility of legitimate cases or situations harder to swallow. It is pretty much impossible to tell online, so I cannot see any real issues with it virtually.
5. Given that my system is one which I have been working on controlling and slowly reintegrating in an amicable manner, it would be considered "unhealthy" to those who identify as natural multiples, and "healthy" to the mental health community. I haven't taken medication in quite a long time now. Unfortunately recent events have set me back quite a ways and it is vastly more difficult to deal with right now.
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Date: 2006-07-17 07:50 pm (UTC)> days with the others in their system?
Yes - sometimes it is difficult and feels fake, other times it is
as natural as talking to a good friend.
>2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
Well - one of us starts talking through the other ones and our
eyes seem to refocuss and someone else is there. That is how we
experience switching.
>3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back abit?
One of us doubts everything.
>4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
It is harmfull to be dishonest with ones self.
>5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
We have not known ourselves to be a system except for the last
year. Before then we caught glimpses of it that would scare us
into going off on a wilderness trip to rest. Many years before
that we were aware of it and would try to integrate everyone. It
did not work.
This time i found this community and it showed us a different way
to deal with this and it has been doing well.
We were fairly healthy before we found out, then confused, now
we are fairly healthy. Medication helps us function in the s
suburban/urban corporate world that pays my bills well, but i am
pretty sure when we leave here and go back to the woods we will be
able to do without meds.
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Date: 2006-07-17 10:33 pm (UTC)Our ability to communicate directly with each other on any given day seems to be fairly random, although we have a good memory bank. It seems that, as in a shared living situation with several physical bodies, people sometimes feel sociable and sometimes don't want to be with others at all, or want to be off doing their own thing, or are busy and can't talk.
2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
Well, this can take a while, especially if you've had to maintain the image of a unified front for a long time. I think there's too much emphasis on "everyone takes turns being singlet" style fronting, rather than the various other ways someone can front (co-running, being an observer, "relaying" someone's actions to the front, etc). These can be a good way to ease someone into running the front completely, if that's what they want to do. Many of us, when we're "out," don't actually perceive ourselves as being "in the body" but rather relaying words, actions, etc. to the front.
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back abit?
Well, I've heard various people make claims about their systems that I found pretty weird or unbelievable. I try to distinguish multiplicity per se from others' beliefs about the origins of their system and so forth-- even if I don't believe everything someone says about their system, I generally try to take the reality of their multiplicity at face value; it doesn't automatically drop them to singlet-faker status in my eyes. I've seen entire systems organized around what I thought were misapprehensions, but as long as they don't try to force interpretations of others' groups, I can live with it.
4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
Hmm... well, aside from what
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
We're not perfect, though common misapprehension that "functional/empowered system = everybody is perfect." (Or "not created by abuse = was never abused.") I think we have healthy relationships with one another, in-system, generally speaking. We know and like each other. When it comes down to 'personal issues,' I suppose people could choose to pass clinical judgement on individual group members, but we are able to deal with things ourselves without hurting other people or getting ourselves locked up, which is really the best you can ask for in a society so messed-up as this one, I suppose.
Medications had a variety of weird effects on us and our communication, most of which were negative and ultimately outweighed benefits. Basically we had to stop relying on it, even for things where we'd been explicitly told "you will never get better on your own." I think we are doing much better now by general standards, despite what we were told.
-Shiu & Berke
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Date: 2006-07-17 11:39 pm (UTC)Yes.
2.How does one relinquish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetitive can help.
If I want to leave or let someone else up to be with me (co-front), I need to let go and relax. As catskillmarina mentions above, I too often experience a different feeling or refocusing in the eyes that lets me know someone is there. I then need to back down, or give up control. Also To stop my thinking and be present, relax and pay attention to my surroundings helps let some up. Or to begin talking without thinking also will let someone else up. Taking a nap can help or to begin doing something that someone else likes to do.
3.Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others claims to having some kind of system that's totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back a bit?
Not really. I see things in common sometimes and when I don't I just accept that everyone is different.
4.What harms could come of people actually faking their DID, MPD, etc. (to this community? themselves?)
I don't know. I take people at face value usually, don't think about whether someone is faking or not. Sometimes when I can't let go of front I will imitate someone else in my system (trying to switch or not feel so alone) and them wonder myself if the others are real, but then when they DO show up there is no question. In the past others have also forced me out of front in emergency. If someone outside my system is faking I feel that is their business, not mine. I accept them anyway.
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
Healthy compared to who or what? I am healthier now than several years ago. Medication saved my life. But then I weaned myself off when I could (which was only after about 4 months). I now only use .25mg Ativan sometimes to help sleep and have gone many months with not even that. I imagine that this too is temporary. I use lots of supplements though and consider some of them VERY important (mostly Omega 3 fish oil and flaxseed oil). I stress easily and can't do what most people can so I take good care of myself.
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Date: 2006-07-18 02:30 am (UTC)No, actually. We've been coconscious since before we knew what that was, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
It's kind of hard to explain - I can't make a good metaphor because there really isn't one. I just kind of stop watching and listening and whatnot and either Dan comes forward or we crash into a really hard sleep.
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back abit?
If I'm reading that right, then no. We're a binary system and that's all there is to it.
4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
Attention whores, fairy princesses. In the end, they'll either grow up and learn how to be appreciated for what they are or end up destroying themselves.
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
Healthy? If we stopped wanting to tear each other's throats out then maybe we'd be healthy. Like right now 've had about five shots of jack and hotboxed two marlboro reds and I'm feeling really good but Dan is all "no that's bad" and "stop doing things that hurt us". Like we're going to live past 50 anyways...HA.
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Date: 2006-07-18 04:24 am (UTC)Group?
1. Does anyone out there have trouble communicating on certain days with the others in their system?
Used to. Haven't for years. Practice makes perfect.
2. How does one relinquish the front?
by will, not one's own will but the other's will. by determination. by strange mental states and strange drugs. by practice. by submission. by chance, or fate. by skill. by slow unfolding.
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind of system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back a bit?
Yeah, though I generally interpret them as being sincere in their belief. Yes, it does make me reluctant to claim things similar to what they claim.
4. What harm could come of people actually faking their DID, MPD, etc. (to this community? themselves?)
Loss of credibility to others. Loss of credibility to self. Loss of soul. Loss of credibility of others.
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
At least one.
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Date: 2006-07-18 05:44 am (UTC)I believe you just had the oposite of what we somtimes have.. co-fronting perhaps? :P Sorry.. Had too.. I have a feeling things such as this are sorta like mental white noise or feedback... :P
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Date: 2006-07-18 05:40 am (UTC)1. Does anyone out there have trouble communicating on certian days with the others in their system?
No, not at all. Of course, the others will only talk to me when they feel like it...>>
2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
Uhm..we...can't. Other than me (the "body", I guess), nobody else really has any interest in the outside world to begin with. Me and Jack have been able to co-front at times, when I ask him to, but none of us have any idea how to fully front. O.o;;
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back abit?
Uhm...considering we're pretty different from everyone else, no. Unless it's just painfully obvious that they're faking.
4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
Discredit to actual multiples, people getting mangry, physical harm from said mangry people...I think everyone else has this pretty much covered. ^__^;;
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
I know I am completely nutters, in more ways than one, but I guess I don't really care. As far as I can tell, everyone else seems to have some sort of organization set up for their systems, which is something we certainly don't have. But is it a healthy system? Does everyone get along alright and stuff? Yeah, sure. ;]
~DL
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Date: 2006-07-18 05:49 am (UTC)~Jadaira
Mangry?
~Sarika
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Date: 2006-07-18 05:53 am (UTC)~DL
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Date: 2006-07-19 12:16 am (UTC)Yep, it happens to some of us sometimes.
2. How does one relinguish the front? I have trouble doing this, I find driving or doing something else repetative can help.
We've rationalized the front in our headspace as a big window in the front of the "living room". To stop fronting, we just get up and leave the window.
3. Do any of the members in any of your systems doubt the truth of others' claims to having some kind system thats totally different from your own? Does this throw you for a loop and make you step back abit?
Yeah, we've doubted some people before. We try not to judge, but mostly with other "systems" we've met in real life, when we start noticing lies and inconsistancies, we start to doubt.
4. What harms could come of people actually faking their DID,MPD,etc (to this community? themselves?)
Well, it makes a bad name for real multiple systems. And they can also use it to manipulate you.
5. How many out there consider their system (themselves?) to be healthy? before or after medication?
We're not disordered because of our multiplicity. Some of us have issues with other things, but as a multiple system, we're healthy and functioning, and not on medication.