This Is Getting Ridiculous

[browncoatrebel.livejournal.com]

Sara keeps deciding she doesn't want to be around anymore, so without a designated host person, things are getting bad. I mean, switching so much it's insane, and it's hard to know who's where when and with who else. And we're getting killer headaches that won't go away. I mean I've taken Asprin, Extra Strength Tylenol, and prescription strength Ibuprofen at the same time and it still feels like the head's going to explode.

I hate to say it but without Sara here as the host I don't know what to do. Monica's been pulled down into the dark somewhere that I can't find her. I always thought I could handle stuff because I'm older than both of them but I guess I just don't have the experience.

Kate

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[-chainedophelia.livejournal.com]

*hugs*

Know how you feel. We don't have a 'primary host person' anymore either and we rapidly change places, etc. There are some days where we all want to be the 'primary' and then most days, none of us want to be. It's been causing us a lot of problems both inside and in the outside world around us.

[browncoatrebel.livejournal.com]

Any ideas on what to do about it?

Kate

[-chainedophelia.livejournal.com]

Not really.

We just try to cope with it and try to get through each day. It's a challenge but there is nothing more we can do until one of us decides to become the primary again. Eventually, I'm sure, we'll learn to settle down and work together so there will be no need for a primary.

~Ilka

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

We've never had a host setup. I think it would make us have a headache too. Maybe you could establish a frontrunning team like ours. Five or six people and change off.

[browncoatrebel.livejournal.com]

How do we do this? We've tried to control who comes and goes, but it hasn't worked. Monica can do it, but she's MIA, and Sara can do it, but she checked out. I think Ben can do it a little, but not enough to get real control over the system.

Kate

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

the headaches are typically caused by cerebral blood flow changes due to 'switching'... this is similar to migraine so try feverfew herb. 1 or 2 350mg capsules every 2 hrs or as needed. we get this if we try to force someone to front rather than just let it happen. we cannot control our changes.

[pengke.livejournal.com]

Your ideas about multiplicity and neurology are just that, ideas. Do not masquerade them as fact.

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

Like everyone on this group doesn't masquerade theory as fact, on a subject about which just about nothing is known?

-L

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

your ideas are also welcome... i for one would be interested in hearing them.

[pengke.livejournal.com]

It's not about ideas. It's about you giving the equivalent of fraudulent medical advice. If you think switching affects cerebral blood flow, that's an interesting idea that would make a good scientific study. The idea that the headaches could be caused by changes in cerebral blood flow is a good one assuming your first idea is correct. You worded both as fact, making it seem like you knew what you were talking about, then you told the poster to take an herbal supplement. That's wrong. It's lying and it's dangerous.

If you want to suggest that people try something because it worked for you, do just that. Say: "When I get headaches from switching, I take X herb and it works for me."

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

point taken, i worded that badly; also i should have stated my sources were drs. lydia gross & mohan nair in taped interviews from the early 90s (not that that makes them right!).

i'm still interested in your take on why the headaches happen.

[pengke.livejournal.com]

Any correlation between cerebral blood flow and switching is unproven because there have not been sufficient, if any, scientific studies to support the hypothesis.

We don't have a take on why people get headaches. It could be stress, changes in hormone levels, changes in blood flow, changes in blood pressure, changes in levels of neurotransmitters, a psychosomatic response. The headaches could be unrelated to switching. The headaches could be causing the switching. The cause of the headaches could be causing the switching. There are lots of possibilities; none of which will ever be studied, so it's pointless to hypothesize. It doesn't really matter why you have a headache.

[jaga-system-.livejournal.com]

What's up with this?

If it was way totally made out to sound like a fact it would be "the headaches are caused by cerebral...." Ya know telling them I know what the deal is wrong with you-- it's this. Bleck. Instead Jason said " typically caused " so Jason shared what he knows to be true and also about their experiences. And I got that they take that herb cuz it's helped them before.

Really it is a lot like you share things that you know to be true for yous.

And really it is other people's deals if they can't critically think for themselves, do proper research, and figure crap out for themselves.

Billie

[pengke.livejournal.com]

No. If they had used the phrases "may be caused by" or "could be caused by", then you would have a valid argument. The argument would be a weak one, though, because they would still be treating the idea of a causal relationship between switching and cerebral blood flow as though it were fact. The phrase "typically caused" states that a significant number of switching related headaches has been found to be due to changes in cerebral blood flow. The only difference between saying something is "caused" by something else and saying it is "typically caused" is the implication that the something else is not the only potential cause; just the most likely.

Minor note:

[spookshow-girl.livejournal.com]

That comment was essentially signed. Judging by the name it's a he, not a they. His name is Jason, and he's also allowed his own ideas, which do not by necessity need to reflect the ideas of the group, or other individuals within said group.

IIRC, this was an issue in a previous debate. This is not to imply that I advocate avoidance of personal responsibility. I have, as of late, run into circumstances where this matter gets confused and blurred, and it has proven at times to be a significant barrier to communication.

--Me

[kasiawhisper.livejournal.com]

where would you find feverherb?

[stealthdragon.livejournal.com]

If it's a migraine-like headache, try taking a magnesium supplement; they've been shown to stop migraines even for people who don't have a magnesium deficiency.

If possible, destress and get lots of rest. Have one person stay out as long as they can, rest, and swap for someone else, who does the same. Application from sheer bloody-mindedness has stabilised things for us, before. But, of course, your mileage may vary.

[kasiawhisper.livejournal.com]

those sorts of headache medicines don't work for us either.. Alleve works for us better than those you mentioned do..