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[vinik.livejournal.com]

Hi everybody! It's been a while, but we actually have been thinking about a certain topic lately and we thought this would be a good place to bring it up.

First, a little background. Our uncle is a person who is a FTM Trans-person. He has never identified with the GLBT (etc) movement. He doesn't consider himself part of a community whatsoever. Why? I asked him once a few years ago, and he said he just didn't see the need for it. He understood why the community and the movements exist, but he doesn't have an urge to be a part of it. I'm not sure if he's having less needs in this regard because it is very difficult to visibly recognize him as female-born, and therefore faces less oppression, or what.

I know it's been postulated before that there must be a lot more plurals out there that are well-adjusted, but that they do not reveal themselves. Would a story such as the one I described above about a person belonging to another 'minority' be possible evidence that this theory might have some serious weight to it? Have others encountered people with a similar approach to their respective communities?

-Kennedy

Comments

[msbyn.livejournal.com]

Sorry, this has nothing to do with anything, but I can't post here... multiplicity is on my friends page, but its not on my little pull down menu so that I can post directly. Help anyone??

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Pull-down menu? That sounds like a client.. which one are you using? Please email us and I'll help you work it out.

Elaq's Coffee and Tech Support

[vinik.livejournal.com]

You have to join the community. Go to the user info page for multiplicity and you'll see an option there to do so. Then it'll be on your pull down menu. :)

[vinik.livejournal.com]

Of course, this is all under the speculation that you haven't joined and just friended. :p

[msbyn.livejournal.com]

Okay ~ I THOUGHT I had... just being stupid. I HAD just "friended" the community. DUH.

[tibialmusician.livejournal.com]

your icon is great may i ask where it's from? it looks very familiar and i want to say sinfest? but i don't know.

[exsillium-nocte.livejournal.com]

"Groups irritate me, b/c they usually nominate the biggest asshole to lead them."

We suppose America is a pretty big group.

[our-menagerie.livejournal.com]

I think a lot of Trans people just want to be known for who they are now and not draw any attention to who they use to be. Also, just because they are trans doesnt necessarily mean they identify as glbt. I guess that sounds weird maybe but some people ID as male or female only because that is what they are now. For example: Unless he is dating a guy now, he isnt gay.
At least thats how I look at it. Maybe lots would disagree Im not sure.

Im not sure I understood your question but I think some times people dont want to be associated with any certain group (especially 'minority' groups) out of fear, but sometimes its just because they dont feel they exactly fit in there either. Im sure there are 1000s of reasons though.

shawna

[thehumangame.livejournal.com]

In general, the people who are part of a community for something are a small and self-selected fraction of the total number of people that could possibly join. I don't think any of the gay/bi people I know offline have anything to do with the GLBT community, for various reasons. Dislike of the 'homosexual lifestyle', or not feeling a need for support, or just plain old lack of free time.

This effect is probably stronger with plurals since most of them probably don't even know a plural community exists. I've never actually met any others though. I'm fairly open about it in my circle of friends, but it's a really small circle.

~j

[catskillmarina.livejournal.com]

Well - i have many friends who are TS, however i often do not choose
to join groups of TS's because of negative experiences. I am not
sure how a mixed gendered group can really share the same experience
as a singlet TS.

Mind you, we have been through the whole TS experience - transition,
surgery and all. Nowadays our origins rarely are very much of an
issue. It was odd for one of our male group members to wake up
years after the surgery. He worked hard for it and thought he would
cease to exist afterwards. Surprise ;-) Still here. Happy with
everything except for the fact that the body is overweight and
out of shape AND SMOKES. ;-)

[tibialmusician.livejournal.com]

*grins* dontcha just hate stuff like that. all those damn curable thnigs that just take ever so much effort to do;)

*meant strictly in a joking sense i promise not trying to offend *hides behind flameproof shield in case/**

[catskillmarina.livejournal.com]

;-)

Aaaalright... If i fail to quit you owe me
a carton of American Spirit Menthol for that
comment ;-)

[tibialmusician.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha only if i get the option of harrassing the fuck outta you everytime you try and light up;)

As a side note do you know of smokes called honeyroses? they're neat in that they have 0-5% tobaco in them and a bunch of other herbs and the like they don't taste the best but a friend of mine has great success in using them to quit. and they have menthol ^__^ *subtle hint* ;D

[catskillmarina.livejournal.com]

If i take you up on it - sure ;-)

-- Veronica

[tibialmusician.livejournal.com]

*begins plotting*mwaha

[elenbarathi.livejournal.com]

*shrugs* It took us more than 45 years to discover that such a thing as 'the plural community' even exists, and until we did, we weren't 'out' - oh hell no; the fact that there's three of us was top of the list of Things To Never Tell. I feel kind of bad now, because sometimes people would suspect, and start asking me those 'feeling-out' kind of questions - possibly because they were multiple, but I didn't think of that at the time, and Kír's Law was 'deny everything', so that's what I did. I think there are probably a whole bunch of plural households out there, functional and otherwise, who live by a similar Law.

[catskillmarina.livejournal.com]

My partner told no one - not even us for 20+ years.

When it became obvious that we were multiple - she was
relieved. Now she is a bit more open about it.

[unknown-tales.livejournal.com]

I have a friend who is like that. He's plural, median, to be specific, and doesn't want anything to do with the online plural communities. Most of him are introverted to start with, and he says that they'd rather not get involved. He says that while it can be helpful, overall it's just too cliquey for him.

[underlankers.livejournal.com]

We have no desire to get involved in Plural Activism. Our work for Hard of Hearing Activism is plenty. Yes, we are hard of hearing. Also operating on Autopilot.

Adromas^Superhuman Crew