Death

[linacrow.livejournal.com]

Well, I just joined so.....first I'd like to say hello.
Secondly I would like to pose a question:
Has anyone else experienced a death of one of the members of a system? I don't mean a leaving or fading away I mean an actual nasty horrific death ending in the said person no longer existing. The said person was causing a lot of trouble at the time so we decided to basically put her on "lock-down" and another member of the system threatened her with death if she tried to cause trouble again....well, she did at which point the person that threatened her subjected her to a slow and agonizing death. I would also like to point out that while at the moment none of use are just "fragments" or single minded things without any depth whatsoever but the deceased one would have to be the closest any of us got. Yes, she did have slight depth but that could have been acted out. But now I seem to be rambling. I'd like to hear if anyone else has had a similar exsperience. And I'd also be glad to answer any questions on my situation as well.
- Samara(formaly the Muse)

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[sarmajere.livejournal.com]

Yes, a few times. The hardest one for us was just a few weeks ago when one of our members was poisoned and, wanting to die anyway refused the treatment that could have saved his life, chosing a painful death, that was at least aleviated a little when his twin sister helped him by administering a dose of whatever it is that's used to put down horses when she finally found him and realized it was too late for him to be saved even against his will, thus sparing him some suffering. Listening to them having that conversation was the hardest thing I've had to do as a host.

I don't think we've all even recovered yet. it's one of those slow processes, yeah?

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

We have a gateway system. Back on the homeworld people are born and people die, every day. There are places in the world that are believed to be haunted, and many people believe it's possible to communicate with friends & relatives in the next life. It is the same as earth, in that way.

I think you will find this is true also of a lot of non-gateway systems. In some groups we have known, people may die and then come back to life months or even years later.

What are you going to do about the person who killed her? Is it ethical in your group to kill those who seem to be less of a person than the others? I ask out of curiosity, every group is different.

[linacrow.livejournal.com]

Well, since the person in question has been pacified since then(she normally take great joy in killing for the sake of killing, she doesn't do that anymore under the command of one in another system to whom she is submissive towards) and since the deceased had stolen another's body during the time she was present I don't think any action should be taken presently. The event occurred about 5 months ago, I’ve just begun to wonder about the nature of her death. We have a pretty chaotic way of running things that probably only works because there is never more that 4 of us at one time(5 if you count the tree). The deceased had also attacked and severely wounded the core,(who we call the first, she basically runs things though we are people in our own right) who was also the one at the front most of the time. We basically don’t have a set of rules in accordance to how things are handled within the system, though we do have rules about who gets to front. Considering that the deceased probably would have killed the core and at the time they were unsure of whether or not they all died if the core died (I hadn’t stepped forward yet). Not only was she trying to manipulate and harm us within the system but she also attempted to ruin our relationships with those outside the system. I don’t think it’s ethical to kill someone who seems to be less of a person but if that person in question is trying to send the whole system crashing down…..normally we would have tried to see if she could change but since she seemed to be obsessed with that single purpose and we knew that change was impossible I believe it was justified.

[linacrow.livejournal.com]

Oh, and I also have know idea how we'd be able to deal with the one who killed her. She's a bit too strong to challenge, and if we did it would cause serious repercussions from the one shes submissive towards(he's said and I quote, "And if any of you ever hurt her you'll find out what it's like to have your body slowly distended.").
-Samara(formally the muse)

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

Why *did* she want to bring the whole system crashing down, though? Did she feel she wasn't being given her rights, did she want to be the sole frontrunner?

[linacrow.livejournal.com]

She wanted to be alone...she started causing trouble when the core started going out with someone. The deceased was paranoid...it seemed, and posed as her "logic". She would constantly harass the core with unnerving statments such as,"Fool! You didn't create me, I am you! You know that no good can come of this. You're only harming yourself for refusing to listen to the only shred of logic in this asylum." for a while the core thought she was just trying to protect the system in her own special way....until she stabbed the core in the stomach. They got her under control and that's when she started to really show what her problem was. The core continued to get close to her boyfriend and the deceased was quiet....until one day she freaked out and tried to kill the core sceamiing,"How could you do that, you whore!! I'll kill you!" she was refering to a kiss, mind you. We found out that she just didn't want to be near anyone.
-Samara(formally the muse)

[linacrow.livejournal.com]

She also posed as me while I was gone...body-snatcher.....
-Lina

[rookguard.livejournal.com]

we have gotten angry enough at one another enough times to kill, yes. The funny thing about it, though, is that we all seem to be... i guess rooted. We can kill one another, but we always seem to grow back.

So how long has it been? I would give it a while, you may find that what seems like 'death' is just a temporary absence. If not, then those of you in mourning have our condolences (and some of our more callous congratulations on succeeding where we've failed so many times).

[linacrow.livejournal.com]

It's been about 5 months. I don't think any of us are mourning really....she wasn't very nice, one of those people you couldn't miss if you tried.

[our-menagerie.livejournal.com]

Yes, we have had at least 2 "wars" inside that I know of but I wasnt always here. The 2nd was a continuation of the first really and many people died. We also had an issue last year where a girl in here burned down half of our inner world leaving us with only the main world and dragons cave and a bunch of people died then too.

There was also a girl who had been here since the beginning. Shelly died after reading a book about an "alter who had died". We still dont know why and tried for 3 years to stop her death but she just kept getting sicker and sicker and eventually just died.

[kasiawhisper.livejournal.com]

we've had several small battles at various villages with deaths.. none of them were fronters with the body though.. we did have a main fronter disappear for a year and the rest of us believed her to be dead, but then she showed up again.. we still don't know if she was actually dead or in a stasis or what.. she was gone and then she was back, with no memories of being somewhere else.. and there have been other deaths from sickness or natural causes, just like anywhere.. if people live, they can die..

[kasiawhisper.livejournal.com]

I also personally had a miscarriage 2 1/2 months ago.. (not a body miscarriage).. had she not died, she would've been born probably last week or this week.. her name was Amaya.. :( my baby.............

[weirdiguess.livejournal.com]

((... fuck our differences, I am so sorry for your loss. *hugs if you want them*))

~Selene/kangetsuhime

[kasiawhisper.livejournal.com]

*hugs*

[stealthdragon.livejournal.com]

My/our condolences. :/

[kasiawhisper.livejournal.com]

thank you... :)

[weirdiguess.livejournal.com]

From what I can gather, there's been near suicides, there's been injuries, but no deaths. Apparently Selene nearly 'faded out', they regarded that as (near) death. Not like she was just going quiet or anything, more like she was sick.

[octobersea.livejournal.com]

Yes, although it was a mercy killing in a way. She was just so otu of her mind. And less human or animal than anything we've ever seen or been since or before. One day she was trying to take over, and someone else shot her. It was metaphoric and out of anger, but she died and never came back.

The one who shot her is still here, but has calmed substantially.

[stealthdragon.livejournal.com]

I've died before, of natural causes (or what seem to be natural causes for someone who's made out of 'mind' rather than matter), but seem to have immediately reincarnated as me_{[n + 1]}.

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

People seem to have a hard time staying dead in here. Even if they're dead-in-their-world, they still hang around; they're embodied at least through this body, in this world.

Hence, killing people because we didn't like them has never been a really viable option for us. We have to find other ways to work it out. What we find is that if they're a person, they generally have reasons for doing things or for trying to control others in the system in destructive ways-- someone who seems to have "no reason, she's just evil" for being disruptive is in our experience more likely to be something like someone trying to get rid of an aspect of themselves they don't like by personifying it as another self. (or, in one instance in here, someone artificially created by another system member because we though we had to have more conflict than we did in order to be 'real')

[linacrow.livejournal.com]

I believe that the deceased was the cores attempt of eliminate the paranoia aspect of herself. Sadly that made it last longer instead of getting rid of it, the aspect probably would've faded away naturally but it lived on in the deceased. After she died there was no trace of the aspect left to be found, well...perhaps it was just transformed into actual logic. In our system each of us excluding the core harbors one or more aspects. We are not limited to these aspects and others that don't have certain aspects can still act within an aspect(I harbor logic at the moment, but that doesn't mean I can't act in a non-logical way, and others in the system can act in a logical way.I just happen to be responsible for that particular aspect. If we want to eliminate an aspect we have to do it through who harbors it(but we can also attempt to change who harbors the aspect)I used to have manipulation as a major aspect but we decided that it was causing trouble(manipulating people without even knowing about it and whatnot. It can be a useful skill but an aspect? That's a bit too much) So I had to make a major effort to change that part of me, which caused a ripple effect through the system.)The deceased was created(not intentionally) with paranoia, hate, and manipulation as ruling aspects. After she died, I stepped forward and took responsibility for the aspects that weren't destroyed along with her. So I guess I could be her in the reincarnation sense.....but I don't really like that idea.
-Samara(formally the muse)

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

I believe that the deceased was the cores attempt of eliminate the paranoia aspect of herself. Sadly that made it last longer instead of getting rid of it, the aspect probably would've faded away naturally but it lived on in the deceased.

So it was sort of roleplaying the issue in a sense? I think... there's a time and a place for appropriately doing things like that, but the important thing is to keep in mind that that's what you're doing (we've seen some people get very messed-up by losing track of the distinction between what was them 'acting out' certain traits and what the system had originally been like).

We had a group of people whom we lost track of about eight years ago and presumed dead. We actually ended up finding all of them, eventually, but they actually... were very different from how we had seen them when we left. I think some of that was due to the frontrunners sort of using them to play out various issues of ours, and putting certain 'aspects,' as you call them, onto them, which they didn't naturally have, or not so prominently. When all of that kind of fell off them, we were able to see more clearly what they had originally been.

Although we see ourselves as a gateway system, there is a limited extent to which we seem to be capable of passing traits between one another, when in this body, at least. I suppose one of us might superficially be viewed as 'bad' by others because one of the things he took (voluntarily) was a trait of vengefulness; but he's actually worked out some decently constructive ways of handling it (not that it went away, but he deals with it in ways that keep it in-house and doesn't affect the body or our relationships). So in some cases it can be a question of finding the person who can handle a trait that might have been causing trouble for someone else.


Anthea/TGM

[linacrow.livejournal.com]

No...not really a roleplaying...at least I don't think so. The core of our system didn't conciously create her....she more or less appeared, though I think the cores attempt to isolate that part of herself may have been the underliing cause. The deceased didn't so much have the aspects put on to her but seemed to have been spontainiously created out of the aspects clustering together and using Lina's empty body. I am aware of giving traits to people who can handle them as it is something I've worked with(haven't really needed to do that much within this system but I've helped with our partner-system as it works a lot like ours.) Thank you for your time. ^-^
-Samara(formally the muse)