Creating

[unknown-tales.livejournal.com]

Several in my system have decided that they would like to create someone new here, for various reasons.

Can anyone that has done this give advice? Things we should consider before doing this that we might have missed thinking about, advice against it, for it? Anything would be appreciated.

I looked through the memories and didn't find much, so I asked.

Comments

[kasiawhisper.livejournal.com]

you mean having a baby?

[unknown-tales.livejournal.com]

No. We are considering creating a full-grown person, though we know that would be more difficult, cause more complications, and be more towards the gray moral area.

[thereisgravity.livejournal.com]

be very careful that you don't create a fragment or someone who is fully developed...there are people who know more here, but we cannot talk long..

sorry

[ques-nova.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that can cause complications, split/broken memories and alot of confusion...

[stealthdragon.livejournal.com]

Why do you want to create another person? If it's for some type of task, do you have an idea of whether the type of person you plan to create is likely to eventually resent that? Have you taken a really hard look at the ethics of it, from the point of view of the person you plan to create?

Just some thoughts,
- Kat

[padawanagain.livejournal.com]

Yes, it seems unethical to me, for you to create a person to do something that they themselves are unwilling to do.

And that's the thing... if the system mates don't want to do it, why would the other one want to as well?

I know I'd be pissy as hell about it, if it were me.

[cirape.livejournal.com]

I actaully had no problem with it. Dizzy created me, partually by accident, to work when she couldn't handle it. Maybe its just my easy going personality, but I had no problem with being created to fullfill a role.
Dizzy has a hard time with it, though. She feels pretty guilty whenever the subject is brought up.

--Troy

[unknown-tales.livejournal.com]

No, we don't want to create someone just to fulfill a task. I agree with you and padawanagain that if we cannot do it, we have no right to force someone else to do it.

I tried to explain why we were going to do it here (http://community.livejournal.com/multiplicity/498344.html?thread=7476904#t7476904), though I am not sure how well I got my point across.

[our-menagerie.livejournal.com]

I just read that link and it doesnt sound so bad to me that way because it sounds as if someone is already there sort of. I was created as a clone of my other mom & another person so maybe I am biased :)
It was never intended for me to become a real person though so maybe thats whats different. They asked me once if I was mad about being born as a person after and were surprised when I said no. I think its different for everyone though.
lil^heather

[kasiawhisper.livejournal.com]

Jenilee found these in memories:

http://community.livejournal.com/multiplicity/220549.html
http://community.livejournal.com/multiplicity/230714.html
http://community.livejournal.com/multiplicity/370323.html
http://community.livejournal.com/multiplicity/384813.html

[unknown-tales.livejournal.com]

Thank you. Some of those I had missed.

[chaostiny.livejournal.com]

Everytime we have created someone new, since we were about 17 (we are 32 now) it has turned bad on us. We found that being willing to take on new tasks and ideas allowed us to fill our own needs without splitting off further...

[tessagratton.livejournal.com]

We've had decent luck with creation, though your reasons would make a difference in what advice I'd give. Mostly, be careful that the traits you *think* you want are truly the traits needed for the reasons and situations.

Mostly, though, our creation is more of a... guided natural birth, if that makes any sense. Someone new is forming, way back there in the darkness, and we can really focus sometimes and try to pull out the characteristics we need most, or think we need most. Does that make any sense?

Or, we have a form of reincarnation. Like, our Eriel died - faded out more like, and then a few months ago we really needed him, his skills, his particular essence. He wasn't around, but we found that when we called and searched, there was Torch - who is like Eriel 2.0 or something. A different person, but with the same essence. The changes were exactly what we needed for the time and place. It was totally like reincarnation.

Wes and Wind.

[unknown-tales.livejournal.com]

Someone new is forming, way back there in the darkness, and we can really focus sometimes and try to pull out the characteristics we need most, or think we need most.

Yes, it did make sense.


This is what seems to be happening here. It is almost like we can sense someone new, and yet he or she is not yet fully formed. As though there is guidance needed to help turn this person into a fully realized individual. So yes, I suppose that a guided natural birth is much more the term we were searching for. It still feels like creation, because other than the sense of someone new, there's not much there. We've waited to see if this person would develop and introduce themselves on their own, but that has not happened, and it has been quite some time now. So we thought we would try and help the process along, and mold the person into what we sense it could be, and (though it does sound a bit off morally) what we want it to be.

We do realize, though, that everything could turn out a lot differently than planned. We are more than accepting of that, as long as this person turns out to be happy with who he or she it.

Did that make any sense?

[cyanocitta.livejournal.com]

That seems more like assistance than outright creation, to me. It sounds very nice. :)

[tessagratton.livejournal.com]

Yes, that makes sense. I agree it does feel like creation, and I don't think there is anything wrong with it, so long as you don't force the new being to be something it doesn't want to be.

Wes

[tessagratton.livejournal.com]

I really like your icon. I don't have anything to add to Wes and Wind above, but I just wanted to let you know. I have rooks as.. totems, I guess. And that is the best icon I think I've seen of a corvus.

Devyn

[unknown-tales.livejournal.com]

Thanks. It's actually my totem as well, hence the icon. :)