Multiplicity

Some systems have very stereotypical classic style dramatic members. Some of those members have stereotypical dramatic titles for themselves.

/shrug. I'm a cynic but they haven't done anything *harmful*, though why they've asked this here I have not a clue.

~Selene

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pengke.livejournal.com

How do you reach that conclusion?

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Neither were you until you started talking.

pengke was just asking a question, no need to jump on them.

When did this group get so defensive?

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pengke.livejournal.com

Save your hissy fit for someone else. It's a thread on livejournal. ANYONE can join the "conversation".

Just because you have a child in your system doesn't mean that you're the authority on everyone with children in their systems. You're making the same broad factual statements that you got on the other person about. Not that any of us really care, we just wanted to know how you decided that all children need rigid stereotypical roles and categories and why you think that works.

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we just wanted to know how you decided that all children need rigid stereotypical roles and categories

In letting my mind wander on the subject, maybe because kids are a little like pets. If you mix the messages of good/bad/wrong/right/etc up, it can cause a lot of confusion, and that can manifest badly.

When training ~~husbands~~ pets, the key seems to be making sure you give the absolute right messages.

Our random thoughts for you.

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lol.. I know all I seem to do is giggle at your responses.. but they always make me smile.. *moving along now* ^^;;

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*jumping in* ^_^

oh man, with 2/3 or so of our group filled with kids.. ^^;; there's no one right way to deal with them.. each of them're so different from each other in all aspects.. yeah.. it's like creating specialized routines and things for everyone.. kid, teen, and adults too.. but yeah, okay.. lol..

*still moving along*

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Everyone in the system is 16 but they act different ages, if that makes sense. Saint is Aries' son. They also label themselves as evil/neutral/good even though they're getting along and co-operating a lot more now.

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that makes sense here.. like there are some of the kids in our group who may be 8 but be a whole lot more mature than that and can relate to the adults in our group at that level.. in areas of knowledge or sex or whatever.. we've learned that the assigned "age" given to someone in our group or another's group doesn't always mean that's their maturity level.. that's the same for non-multiples/single-minds too.. there are alot of 30+ year old non-multiples who behave like 10 year olds.. lol.. so I guess it's not just multiples who have maturity issues.. *grins*

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hiddenwithen.livejournal.com

I Asked This Here Bacuse Of An Singlet Who Wants Us(alters) To Be Gone From His Friend. He Thinks Were Here To Harm John. He Thinks Killing Us Would Be Best For John.

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sethrenn.livejournal.com

Someone who behaves like that is not your friend. That's like someone who says "You're my friend except that you're gay and I just can't accept that, so I think you should become straight."

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What Sethrenn said. Somebody like that is not a friend. He's not someone you want around.

~Us

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tir-nan-og.livejournal.com

Absolutely. What sethrenn and luwana said. Ditch the 'friend'. They have no right to impose their values on you like that.

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I know this system from elsewhere and I have no doubt of their honesty and genuine....ness.

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As someone who once did this as a job, I'm going to be a hypocrite and say: No.

No to your specific question, that is. Fuck right, and fuck it prevailing. Fuck evil too. Some people just deserve to die. That's the way it is.

I do not agree with the death sentence. Not in the way it is now.

~Selene

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stealthdragon.livejournal.com

No. First off, 'good' and 'evil' are mental constructs, and vary widely not only between cultures, but between individuals in a given culture. Who's to say which one is 'right'?

In our own, subjective concepts of what's right, the general consensus is that it's wrong to kill someone, period. Any end you're going for is contaminated by the means.

On a more pragmatic level, it's significantly more expensive to execute someone these days, than to keep them in prison for the rest of their life. (At least in the U.S.)

- Us

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Yo Justic how's it? Sorry we didn't reply the other night, monitor was broken. I have a computer destroying aura. :P

answer: no one is ever truly evil or truly good. I've talked to a LOT of system members who were supposedly bad and evil, a lot of them were kids, and almost all of them are now productive and happy members of their systems. Everyone has the capability to make their own choices. They might be selfish things that ultimately do bad, but that doesn't mean they're evil. Even Hitler and that Italian guy did some good things.

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We have had to learn to ground and center BEFORE we
get on computers. We went through 4 computers in the
last 6 months.

Could be that they were all space junk, but strangly
all of the computers developed shorts in the motherboards
and started overheating. ...and they had tons of fans on
them - then 2 NEW hard drives died...

Wierd stuff - but it has happened so often it is hard to
attribute it just to old bad stuff - they were all pretty
new computers AND we kept the dust out of the cases.

Not a good trait for someone like me who has to work with
computers for a living - at least that does not happen
often at work.

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We have a history of it. Our first computer we had when Dat was the only one who really came out. Eventually it got to the point where it would turn itself on when he walked into the room. Also, every so often it would turn itself off and start playing funny chimes over and over until he inserted a recovery disk, reset the computer, ejected the disk and restarted.

Our second computer's CD drive broke, repeatedly. The battery almost never worked, but other than that it's still okay.

Our third computer, the power supplies die. We've gone through about three of them I think. The day the last one died for good, the mother's old computer, which is in the study where we sit quite often, overheated and died. The next day our oldest sister's computer broke, and the day after the network router died.

We got moved to this computer, which now has no CD drive and a monitor that occasionally doesn't work Just Because.

Very, very frustrating. When he gets back to front (it's the time of month where he disappears for a couple of days, lol) I'm going to tell him to ground himself before he even goes near a computer. I'm surprised he hasn't thought of it before.

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I'd say ground as in calming wild energies AND grounding as
to get rid of static charges.

We did not believe that we effected electrical devices. My
cousin (a therapist) told me that multiples often cause
electrical problems - we shined it on.

Then we got a call from a companion and the cellphone was
all staticy and then we grounded carefully. The static
stopped. Now we have noticed this effect several times.

On a similar but unrelated topic once our kittens crashed
3 computers - 2 running different versions of linux and
one running the super secure operating system 'OpenBSD'.
Not even the developers of OpenBSD even tried to explain
it - they just said keep the cats away ;-)

Afterwards we tried to simulate kittens on the kbd and
we could not crash the systems.... Odd...

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._. hey Justic

evil is a state of mind... not everyone thinks the same things are "evil".. like some people think Harry Potter is like teh EVIL!!! LOL and I think that it's like NOT!!! so I think that Harry Potter can Provail!!!1!

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^^;; yeah, I'm responding to myself because yeah, that was a real mature post.. the hell... ^^;;;;;;;

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To do great good often unintentionally causes great evil. Great
evil often causes good unintentionally. If you want to do the best
it is best to avoid the extremes and go for the 'middle path'.

Yeah - we have been reading about tatric buddhism and in therapy
we are doing DBT - which is pretty much clinical buddhism ;-)

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linnai.livejournal.com

I wonder if you mean the same DBT therapy that we had...

and if you do, I want to know why our therapy couldn't be clinical buddhism. :(

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I do not know what therapy you had.

Well - if it is Dialectical Behavioral Therapy as devised
by Marsha Linehan it *is* based on buddist principles. Recently
our PTSD got so bad that it was interfering with our life so
we chose a therapist carefully. After a while it became clear
that digging up past traumas was just making us hurt more so
we decided to work on learning better coping skills through DBT.

DBT is ussually used for borderline people but we have adapted it
for our use. We have been teaching each other how to ground and
center and how to let bad emotions pass. It is working well for
us. As with Buddist beliefs we let the past go - all that is important
is NOW.

One of the most important parts of DBT is being non-judgemental and
that applies to both therapist and patient. The path we are following
is to accept and care for everyone in us. Some therapists use DBT as
an excuse to be rough on people. From my reading of the work - that is
an aberration of what it is meant to be.

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linnai.livejournal.com

Ours was group DBT and it was SO not anywhere near the situation you describe with your therapist. I'd sigh, but that just seems to be common of therapy in these parts. Half-assed.

Glad it's working for you, though. It sounds very nice indeed and I hope it continues to be so for you.

Thanks for sharing.

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