Questions to those with Multiplicity
Nov. 28th, 2005 07:30 pmHello everyone, my brother Toby has posted here before but I haven't. My name is Hayden, I am 15, I have silvery-grey coloured hair and my left eye is light blue, my right is dark blue and I have my hair neck-length, parted over my left eye.
Sam, Toby and I were thiking of some questions to see if we are similar to anyone in terms of our lifestyle.
* Where does everyone go when you are not fronting? We seem to just have a big, black space. However, we can add items and whatever we like at will, seemingly even people after a while.
* What do you guys in a female body do about sexual needs (if you have any) and vice-versa? In here, Alexander gets very depressed as he wants to go out and do stuff with gay males but i) we're in a female body, ii)He wouldn't be treated like a man, iii) Sam wouldn't let him anyways because of the risk.
* Can other people in a different system 'see;' or 'sense' you better than the host of the different system. Sams girlfriend has different personnas, and one of them, Andrew, seems to be good at seeing the others in here, mentally, although sometimes a trick of the light makes our physical features change, such as Alex's eyes going slit.
* Do you have problems with people treating you all as one being, or do you not mind that? We have no real choice as Sam prefers to keep this to herself, and those who would understand.
* Can two (or more)of your members surface at the same time and converse with each other? Or can whoevers fronting have an active conversation with whoever is 'behind'? Do you get people 'behind' you?
Thats all for now :) Sorry about the extensiveness of these questions.. Thankyou,
Hayden
Sam, Toby and I were thiking of some questions to see if we are similar to anyone in terms of our lifestyle.
* Where does everyone go when you are not fronting? We seem to just have a big, black space. However, we can add items and whatever we like at will, seemingly even people after a while.
* What do you guys in a female body do about sexual needs (if you have any) and vice-versa? In here, Alexander gets very depressed as he wants to go out and do stuff with gay males but i) we're in a female body, ii)He wouldn't be treated like a man, iii) Sam wouldn't let him anyways because of the risk.
* Can other people in a different system 'see;' or 'sense' you better than the host of the different system. Sams girlfriend has different personnas, and one of them, Andrew, seems to be good at seeing the others in here, mentally, although sometimes a trick of the light makes our physical features change, such as Alex's eyes going slit.
* Do you have problems with people treating you all as one being, or do you not mind that? We have no real choice as Sam prefers to keep this to herself, and those who would understand.
* Can two (or more)of your members surface at the same time and converse with each other? Or can whoevers fronting have an active conversation with whoever is 'behind'? Do you get people 'behind' you?
Thats all for now :) Sorry about the extensiveness of these questions.. Thankyou,
Hayden
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Date: 2005-11-28 08:16 pm (UTC)2) in-system relationships.
3) dunno any multiples in real life, but our singlet friend Duška has gotten good at telling who's who, even if we don't say a word.
4) sometimes, and a lot of people just plain don't understand. there's a language barrier with the person who needs to understand (the guy who just proposed to us. we said he ought to get to know more than just pthalo *g*). Pthalo: "Sometimes when bad things happen to people, their personality splits into several different parts." Boy: "Me too. I mean, I was a different person when i was a teenager than I am now, I grew up. Everyone changes over time." Pthalo. "no, that's not what I mean." (time passes) "Do you have any bad guys in you? Any whores? Any thieves," Pthalo: "x_x no..."
5) yeah, get people behind you sometimes. sometimes it's nice, othertimes it's annoying as fuck. depends on who it is and whether they're talking so loud you can't focus on what's going on in this world/they're freaking you out while you're walking alone at night or whether they're just saying hi and offering gentle advice. and yeah, we can be co-conscious. don't have out loud conversations though because it feels weird.
A few of us
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Date: 2005-11-28 08:17 pm (UTC)2. Finding bisexuals who are willing to allow you to crossgender-play is a wonderful thing.
3. We can't really say. The other systems we've met in real life have had to be informed of us, even when they seemed obvious to us.
4. We all make up the life of this hostperson. We are all a part, for good or for ill. So we use the birthname as a collective reference, whereas when people-in-the-know are trying to reach a specific person withing that collective, they refer to that person specfically. In order to make that fair, the hostperson chose another name to go by, so they didn't "own" the birthname - we all do.
5. We talk to each other all the time, even have arguements. But I guess that comes with co-cognizance.
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Date: 2005-11-28 08:36 pm (UTC)I'll just say this: It may not be as impossible as you think to find someone who will treat you as what you really are, even if that's not what the body is. We've known several pre-op or non-op FTMs who managed to find girlfriends and wives who treated them as men. But I understand about not wanting to take a health risk by having several partners. Do you have relationships with each other in-system?
Can other people in a different system 'see;' or 'sense' you better than the host of the different system. Sams girlfriend has different personnas, and one of them, Andrew, seems to be good at seeing the others in here, mentally, although sometimes a trick of the light makes our physical features change, such as Alex's eyes going slit.
Our partner& can tell when particular people are hanging around sometimes, if that's what you mean.
Do you have problems with people treating you all as one being, or do you not mind that? We have no real choice as Sam prefers to keep this to herself, and those who would understand.
We have the same situation. Most people don't know we're multiple. We're afraid it would jeopardise our school and career plans, people telling us to get help 'for our own good' or even forcing that 'help' on us out of misguided compassion. For all that one hears complaints from the rightwingers about 'liberal universities,' our experience is that a lot of them are profoundly conservative in their entrenched attitudes. Reality is a certain way, etc, and there are no exceptions to the rules.
Can two (or more)of your members surface at the same time and converse with each other? Or can whoevers fronting have an active conversation with whoever is 'behind'? Do you get people 'behind' you?
Yes to all of the above.
Never apologise for asking questions. It's the only way to find out.
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Date: 2005-11-28 09:05 pm (UTC)I (well, we) am incredibly lucky enough to have a female partner who understands me and really works with me to let me express myself *though* this very curvy female body. It's a lot of negotiation and twice as much imagination, but she's willing. Often it's still frustrating, but it's the best we can do, and sometimes it is really blissful and works wonderfully.
I know not everyone has a parter like me, but there's hope, always. And there are a lot of people willing to do gender role play. We (people who are multiple) often have a raging imagination. Try to put it to use to serve you in this way.
Good luck.
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Date: 2005-11-28 09:33 pm (UTC)http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/faq.shtml
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Date: 2005-11-28 09:40 pm (UTC)We have a house that everyone stays in. There is just a "zone" that people go to to front.
* What do you guys in a female body do about sexual needs (if you have any) and vice-versa?
We have guys in this body that hate the fact they are in a female body. Cody comes to mind, because he has an outside girlfriend. He still hasn't become very physical with her because he's so unsure of what will happen sexually. But, we don't stop people of another gender from forming relationships with whoever they choose.
* Can other people in a different system 'see;' or 'sense' you better than the host of the different system.
We don't know any multiples offline. A close (singleton) friend of ours is slowly getting used to being able to see us better when we come out.
* Do you have problems with people treating you all as one being, or do you not mind that?
It depends. Do they know we're multiple? People who know we're multiple and treat us as one, sometimes annoy us. Those who are clueless, we'll just play along and pretend to be Lisa.
* Can two (or more)of your members surface at the same time and converse with each other? Or can whoevers fronting have an active conversation with whoever is 'behind'? Do you get people 'behind' you?
Yes to all.
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Date: 2005-11-28 09:42 pm (UTC)Sex stuff-- well...oddly enough, most of those who are sexually active in my 'head' are already married, and their spouses also live me. So they don't really need a physical outlet (thank goodness). That doesn't stop some of them *cough*Somhairle*ahem* from talking about it though >_o. (Somhairle's saying: And what's wrong with that? I don't ever recall there being a law against that kind of thing. >:[)
people from other systems-- I've never interacted with other multiples/people who have headvoices before for any length of time, except on the internet, which I don't feel really counts. There are certainly individuals in each system that will want to come out and talk to others of the other system, and some individuals who will just come to the front (but not actually 'front') to listen in. But as far as people in /my/ headspace being able to sense others in another host...no, not really.
people treating me like one person-- I prefer it this way, actually, since I'm not a multiple (at least, in the way I think of it), but just someone with headvoices. I'm in charge and those in my head know it. They don't take any issue with people talking to me, rather than all of us, or whatever.
fronting and conversations-- Some of my friends have been witness to several headvoices fronting at once and carrying on conversations over AIM. Yes, they can and do front as large groups sometimes, and talk to the other fronters, and those still 'behind'. Fronting for me is not so much that I assume someone else's personality or whatever, it's more of when someone wants access to the 'real world', and they'll talk through me, rather than completely blocking me as well.
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Date: 2005-11-28 10:58 pm (UTC)2)Luckily, our primary spouse is very very understanding. We're allowed to have gfs, bfs .. as long as he knows about them and knows them. Right now one of the girls is married to our primary, and one of the boys has an outside boyfriend who knows about us.
3)The few times we've been around other households.. yeah.. Even a few of our single souled friends can see us..
4)For the people that know about us being here.. sometimes it can get very annoying.. but we know we have quite a population to keep up with. With our career and such though.. we can't be seen as ourselves without trashing our future.. or at least that's our reasoning.. so we kinda have to swallow our pride to some degree and deal.
5)Yes, more than one of us can be at the front at the same time.. depending on who it is.. usually one is primary and one is being a distraction or they're cooperating. or.. in a few situations it's a kid/teen with a chaperone close by.. (which SUCKS!!!!!)..Yeah we can talk with each other.. or the people still inside.. but it gets wayyy confusing..
-Gen
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Date: 2005-11-29 12:09 am (UTC)2) All female here, but Isha's been with several multiples in mixed up gender bodies. I figure the toughest part is getting people to accept that you're multiple. Beyond that, gender, person, whatever, it's all a-okay. As for, hrm, dealing with things XD I know that Isha comes easier inside, because her body is different to 'the' body. I figure mixed gender people can do the same thing, roughly.
3) Probably some people in different systems are better at body language etc.
4) I don't mind, much. I don't like people intentionally pretending the others aren't there.
5) Yup. We can co front, and argue with each other, or one can shout comments over the shoulder of the other, or distract the other.
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Date: 2005-11-29 12:57 am (UTC)Where does everyone go when you are not fronting?
We made our own world. It started out as a big black space in the beginning, but everyone ran in and made their own little niche. We ended up having this huge world with completely different areas, like a fluffy happy cloud place, a dark place with gothic-style castles, a desert, all sorts of things. In the middle we have our house, where those of us who don't like staying in our own places all the time can go and converse. We all have our own rooms there as well. The way the rooms look seem to reflect our personalities, but I've only seen one other person's room.
What do you guys in a female body do about sexual needs (if you have any) and vice-versa?
We tend to do the whole in-system relationship. I'm the only one who has a significant other outside the system. Everyone else either has someone on the inside, or has no interest in anyone around.
Can other people in a different system 'see;' or 'sense' you better than the host of the different system.
I don't know any other multiples in real life, but some people have suprised us by calling one of us by our real names... I don't know how they know, I guess we all have our different quirks.
Do you have problems with people treating you all as one being, or do you not mind that?
We're used to it. Some of the others get huffy about it, but they deal.
Can two (or more)of your members surface at the same time and converse with each other? Or can whoevers fronting have an active conversation with whoever is 'behind'? Do you get people 'behind' you?
All the time! The people way inside can't see what's going on, but sometimes a few will get right up behind me and start chattering away, like a backseat driver. I call them the peanut gallery. Sometimes when I'm shopping, one of them will see something that they want, and bother me until I buy it (which is why I steer clear of toy stores most of the time). I can talk to the people behind me by either speaking aloud or thinking into their direction. Not really "thinking", I can't describe it, more like projecting my voice away from me and to the inside.
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Date: 2005-11-29 04:46 am (UTC)I do hang out with some females that do not front or are as much a part of the Mosaics as they used to be so I guess they would now be like nieghbors and we've gotten involved a few times so I guess you would call that "in house relationships" , but there not really in the house which is what makes it doable.It works out like a date.Although I have paid a few not embarrassd to say. I can work my right hand as well as my left there healthy and strong and also soft and tender like a female, when the chicks get in the way so hand jobs work good.
We co front and sub front and talk to each other all the time sometimes at the same time. We have got real good at finishing each
others sentences.
When Im not fronting I go to my room or the lobby or the Kitchen or game room. or the Library or the shed or Gym. We hang out in each others rooms or in the Kitchen mostly. We live in what appears to be a very large Hotel, so theres plenty a places to go when not needed up front.
We only know one other system personally and we think she the birth;ling of the system is too hung up with her nose to far up her ass to notice anyone but herself and herselves, snobby bitchso we think she just see's Tiea though she has tried totalk to us by name
Ok do people treat us all as one? huh that sorta depends Tieas bio family thinks if she has a mood change its one of us or if she yells during football, its one of us so, no its the opposite there, the old T always asked us who he was talking to if the girls changed there nail polish so uh uh we had the opposite happen they do not treat us as one but as a bunch of people but they get it screwd up and wrong,all wrong
As we did this post not in order hope it helps some anyways
Elaine and Serinna say hello ok Bye, Joseph nice to meet ya
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Date: 2005-11-29 06:27 am (UTC)We each have a 'home' spatial orientation which references the body. Kathru is directly in front, which fits because she's running this show 90% of the time. I'm immediately behind her, along the bodies' spine and overhead - I'm physically larger than it is, and it shows. (I can also 'pull her strings' from back here, if it's truly necessary. We blend seamlessly, and at times when it is necessary, she's too focused on what's going on 'outside' to notice.) Esmerelda is off to the bodies' left somewhere. She's left-handed, and it's easier for her to use the bodies' left side than its right.
What do you guys in a female body do about sexual needs (if you have any) and vice-versa?
I change sex. It's not always difficult to be female for a while, since I also default to the feminine side of androgyny. We also have an in-system relationship.
Can other people in a different system 'see;' or 'sense' you better than the host of the different system.
We don't know any multiples in person, and we doubt that we're known of. I doubt that we'd be any good at it, since we have trouble interpreting even singleton body language.
Do you have problems with people treating you all as one being, or do you not mind that?
Most people only meet Kathru, so it's reasonable for them to believe there's only her in here. Sometimes I wish we were more open, but eh, it's a risk thing.
Can two (or more)of your members surface at the same time and converse with each other? Or can whoevers fronting have an active conversation with whoever is 'behind'? Do you get people 'behind' you?
Yes to all. We sometimes talk to eachother aloud, but Kat also talks to herself quite a bit. I try not to think to her when she's dealing with other people, or trying to focus. It's just rude to distract someone like that. (Plus, it's deathly boring! - Es.)
I think that's about it.
- Quinacridone
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Date: 2005-11-29 07:13 am (UTC)- Quincy
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Date: 2005-11-29 01:27 pm (UTC)- Corin and Adam
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Date: 2005-11-29 05:20 pm (UTC)-We have other worlds. Several where non-humans live and one where humans live.
* What do you guys in a female body do about sexual needs (if you have any) and vice-versa?
-We are lucky enough to have a boyfriend who knows about us and identifies as bisexual (actually more leaning towards being gay). Since our body is female, this works out well for the men in our system who identify as gay. Guys interested in females generally have in-system relationships. We don't usually pay much attention to gender when searching for a partner, though.
* Can other people in a different system 'see;' or 'sense' you better than the host of the different system.
-We don't know any other multiple systems but our boyfriend can tell the majority of us apart (and just asks if he can't).
* Do you have problems with people treating you all as one being, or do you not mind that?
-We don't mind it since most people haven't been told otherwise. There is one friend in our life right now we'd like to make aware of us, but we're afraid it would destroy the friendship (we know that they're not really a good friend anyway if they don't accept it, but we're still afraid to bring it up)
* Can two (or more)of your members surface at the same time and converse with each other? Or can whoevers fronting have an active conversation with whoever is 'behind'? Do you get people 'behind' you?
-Yes, yes, and yes, with the exception of a few system members (like me, Marie, who really isn't aware of the others unless they comment in my journal or write me a note).
Own answers;)
Date: 2005-11-29 07:03 pm (UTC)When we have somebody already fronting, we sometimes fight about the position ;) (coughs from the behind: She must be joking, dare she told it!) and we usually find some space at which we are comfortable. There was only a problem with those who were already a system, system within system, because they might have *their* own setting on the body and it is a bit dificult to find a place for needs for most folks.
Otherwise, we have just own spaces. They differ. Currently, it's mostly desert and ocean areas (which togethet don't function), but there were also inner flats or so in which they lived. We don't really know, sorry. ;)
2) Mike speaking: I know about the situation. I and R. used to feel the same. It was depressing, at times we even thought about suicide. But you know, you can't be suicidal for serious, because those others keep insisting of "Don't dare a THINK about murdering me" or " we'll come to you in another life, tooo" so it's kinday amusin'. ;)
Really, some just have to acclimatize- and find someone who will accept them in the genderrole they want. If they are not into being in the fem body, just let others-outsiders know and find those who are not into gender-mono way of thinking. More genders in one person are more fun ;)
3) we don't have much experiences, just with our ex-gf who was multiple with three people... We were quite good at telling who is fronting in her. We used that.. what colour/sound is emanating from her, kind of, knowing the vibs over the distance ;) I think being multip makes you more sensitive, or at least, let's say, openminded. Though if you don't like the person.. Smiles. It just depends on relationship. With ex, we were liking each other and treating with respect, nd perhaps that's it. Just an emotional bond.
4) No problems here. Or, mostly. *someone brings a message to not lie about it, from the behind, so we try to use something that won't offend those who don't like fronting but want to be vocal)
Those who like to be visible the most are kind of "it doesn't matter other's don't know" and we like the privacy.
5) Yes, we do have those behind, and those who feel like outside the system body, we have fluent conversations with some and barely a "conversation" with some elses.. we're quite an opened system and quite a large in number, so what you want, we have to make difficult settings for all of us to work together :-)) Actually, fronting with 2-3 people at one time and others just talking close-to-front is really comfy to us. *Dune/Star Wars soulbonds with Nat speaking here* ;)
Nat
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Date: 2005-12-02 01:34 am (UTC)2. I don't think we can answer this yet. Will require some thought.
3. I do not know.
4. We're mid-continuum, so we don't mind. Tristan, who is the core/original, is what we call the omni-personality... he speaks for us as a whole, when offline. When online, Fayanora tends to speak more for us, but we come out individually as well.
5. Definetely yes! We all have discussions and debates very often! Alexander Antonin especially loves discussing my beliefs/ideas with me, trying to pick them apart logically. I don't mind at all, though... it helps me refine my ideas, throwing out garbage and so on.
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Date: 2005-12-02 04:19 pm (UTC)Thankss,
~chaya
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Date: 2005-12-03 11:48 pm (UTC)http://fayanora.23ae.com/midcontinuum.htm
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Date: 2007-04-15 09:52 am (UTC)It's about the same thing. Just a black area, but that's more of shadows. It's all a big room, for the 'mental' area where everybody is is actually a large tower-like building, and the body control is the center/heart/whatever you want to call it. The sight of the body is like a large computer screen, really, and whoever is in the room can see what's going on with the body's activites. I hope that makes sense. They can go wherever they want, weither it's to a different room to a different dimension.
* What do you guys in a female body do about sexual needs (if you have any) and vice-versa? In here, Alexander gets very depressed as he wants to go out and do stuff with gay males but i) we're in a female body, ii)He wouldn't be treated like a man, iii) Sam wouldn't let him anyways because of the risk.
I've never really experienced something like that personally, so I can't help you there. My multiples find their own ways of 'curing' their sexual needs and haven't done anything outside of the body. Sorry I'm not much help there.
* Can other people in a different system 'see;' or 'sense' you better than the host of the different system. Sams girlfriend has different personnas, and one of them, Andrew, seems to be good at seeing the others in here, mentally, although sometimes a trick of the light makes our physical features change, such as Alex's eyes going slit.
I don't know, I have never met another multiple personally, so I can't really tell you there. Again, not much help ^^;
* Do you have problems with people treating you all as one being, or do you not mind that? We have no real choice as Sam prefers to keep this to herself, and those who would understand.
Nobody knows about my multiplicity except some of my online friends and my mother. My mother understands because she's just open to things like that, and my online friends respect my 'others', and if nothing else, are multiples as well or something similar. I have a lot of friends that don't know about my multiplicity because I/we are scared of how they might react. We're each treated as ourselves to those that do know, and the ones that don't just know me [Iris] as myself and that's all.
* Can two (or more)of your members surface at the same time and converse with each other? Or can whoevers fronting have an active conversation with whoever is 'behind'? Do you get people 'behind' you?
Yes, they can. As I said, the front is pretty much a large screen, like a computer, and more than one can take control at the same time and talk to eachother and interact with eachother 'mentally'. This body is pretty much given with a lot of free will.
That's just personal experience, so I hope it was useful or just informative in some way. :3