I've got a bit of a question

[cirape.livejournal.com]

And I really hope this doesn't offend anybody.

But for some reason, though she conciously really doesn't want to, Diz has been semi-attempting to "make" a new personality lately. She keeps trying to stop herself, and we keep trying to stop her, but it keeps poping back into her head. Its not like "someone's already there and wants to say hello," its more like "I have this annoying urge to create someone specific."
I was wondering if anyone knows how to stop this. Or if you have valid reasons as to why we shouldn't do such a thing, I guess.

Comments

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

What's wrong with that? A lot of people do it.

In the Anachronic Army, almost everyone was deliberately created. Some are actually put together by a committee. We know other groups that have created new people.

I guess you could say on Laura we create people too since new people there usually come about in the, um, old-fashioned way. Well, but I know what you mean. *ignores Naomi who is now doing parodies of old investment company commercials*

[kangetsuhime.livejournal.com]

Some people question the morality of this. I know I do. Partially I question it overall, and partially I know that the concept that I was created as opposed to born-grew-up-arrived.

It differs though. If the person is a completely fresh person, that this is their 'birth', then they're not going to have most of the issues I've had.


Do I still question the morality? Yes. It's very dependant on the individual situation. I don't approve of making people to serve a purpose. You have a baby because you desire a family, because you want the best for them, not (in my opinion) because you need somebody better able to program the new DVD/VCR combo, or somebody with better artistic talent.


IMO creating a new *person* in the system is like having a baby. If the urge is there, then think it through. Is it worth it. Is it right for the new person as well as the people in the system now?

[kangetsuhime.livejournal.com]

partially I know that the concept that I was created as opposed to born-grew-up-arrived bothered me a lot. I need to learn to proof read.

[changelyng14.livejournal.com]

our system produced a new person. the circumstances were sketchy. an impulsive member and our rather 'odd' operator-type dude had the head to themselves and were drunk, so they 'woke up' one of our 'partial people' it was a trip to see him do it (we are memory sharers, more or less).
the new person (candy) ended up becoming one of our most active lately. she's actually running for president now :P

anyhow, we had and still have a ban on waking up/making new people, mostly because we don't want/need more competition for front time, and we still have alot of dark places and 'messed up' members which were still trying to figure out how to address.

imo, i think the whole choice has alot in common with deciding to have a child. we were all made/put here somehow or another, and are all here, but our new person was made as a conscious choice, which leaves us with responsibilities to them, basically to be sure they're happy, needs met, etc.

my system has around 14 and we feel its a tad more crowded then we'd prefer.

i think your system owes something to any new people you 'make'.
thats all i guess.

Synch of the Changelyng

[morgil-lomion.livejournal.com]

We have a robot girl names Eriko who was created by My accidentally. Generally I wouldn't really question the morality of brining someone into existance... I don't know many people who question the "morality" of making a new baby anywhere else. The only morality I question is how that person is treated after they are created.

I don't see anything wrong with creating someone to serve a purpose, in the end most parents create their children either accidentally or to satisfy some inner need or desire to fill a void in their life... that is as much purpose as anything else.

To me it seems that it all boils down to the way they are treated after they are there. If they are treated with the love and respect they deserve as a person, who gives a damn how or why they were created? As long as you don't let someone be born into a situation that you shouldn't(like an unwanted pregnancy or whathave you) and then not take steps to fix things then I don't don't see why there would be a problem...

[judiff]

we like accidently made someone when we were trying to behave differntly. I think she's annoying and soppy but she's just as much a person as any of the rest of us, i don't think it matters that she was made and dint just turn up.
Why does Diz want to make a new person anyway? And what are the reasons why you don't want her too? It definatly seem like a thing you all sound be discussing as a system.
And like in the end it's got to be your system wide descion - but if you want advise it's like a bit hard to give a sensible opionon unless you tell us more about what's happening.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_the_little_one/]

I thought I wanted to make a new person once, but when I talked to some outside people about it and inside people too, I just wanted to make part of a person - not that I would have mindned them being a whole one, but what I really wanted was one part and that didnt' seem fair so I stopped. I think I'm the only one here who can do that tho. Can everyone in most people do this? Or only some people in most people? LOL - that made sense, really - it just looks like it didn't!

Does anyone know how to make a part person, one who will be happy that way? Would that be fair? I want to make a Mommy. Wren is scared now but I can post waht I want, she's not trying to stop me.

Mommy

[reinahada.livejournal.com]

i fink u wan a hol momi i fink u ned to mak a hol momi not jus part a momi. an wi si rren scard mabe u shud aks furst mabe ren wana be ur momi or sombodi wana b ur momi. it wud be sad wif no momi. at lest we wud be sad wif no momi.

Distraida-Entera

Re: Mommy

[alt-grrl67.livejournal.com]

If Wren was Kary's mom, then we'd be our own mom caus We are Wren and We are Kary.

That makes Wren's head hurt and scares her and makes her afraid _she'll_ never get a mom......

She's good at being one - we are a body mom, and she's good at that, we just don't get to do it now, because of custody

There are only four of us, so a whole new person would be a big change- and if being a mom is what the new person wants - well Wren wants to be a mom to our body child, and is kept from it, she crys for this, it almost kills her - so make a Mom when we can't BE a mom - won't the new Mom want to be a mom for the body's child too? Then she'll be sad.

I'ts just such a big thing, and it's not like we could undo it it if didn't work. That woud be wrong.

It's a reall good question about wren wanting to be kary's mom. We hadn't thouht of that. Thank you.

Time to go freak out the theapist again. He says we chalange him.

[effrenata.livejournal.com]

Well, my advice on this...

Sense within yourself/ves for the part of you that really, really wants to be a Mommy. If there is a part of you that wants that role, imagine that part and talk to it. Give it a name, and let it grow, until it takes a shape of its own.

I wouldn't worry about whether someone is a 'part person' or 'whole person'. That strikes me as very relative and subjective. What's 'whole' to one person might be a 'part' to another.

[sethrenn.livejournal.com]

I think the morality of it is circumstantial-- it's along the same lines as deciding to have children. Why do you want to have this child, and how are you going to raise them? There are certain circumstances under which I'd consider having a child to be at least not a very good idea, if not downright unethical. On the other hand, if the child is planned for, wanted, and cared about, it can be a very fulfilling thing to do. The thing one needs to keep in mind is that despite your best efforts, your child may not turn out how you had anticipated or hoped for.

Now if you're actually making a full-grown person from scratch, you have a bit more of an ability to control things like temperament and personality-- but if they become independent enough, they can start doing things you may not have planned on, and they may end up quite different from what you originally created. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, but it is something to keep in mind if you want someone to fill a specific purpose or role.

None of these are, per se, a reason not to create people. I know some systems see it as selfish-- well, IMNSHO, having children can be selfish too if you do it just because you want someone to love you, or achieve success vicariously through your child, or whatever. The thing one needs to keep in mind is that once they're created, generally, they are their own person with the same rights as anyone else, and (at least in our system) can't be arbitrarily tinkered with if they end up as something that isn't what was planned.

Most of us say go for it

[reinahada.livejournal.com]

If you want to create someone for a specific purpose, create a robot. If you just want to create someone, go for it. If they don't like that they've been created, just as you can have walk-ins, they can leave.

Distraida