[identity profile] fallen-ramiel.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] multiplicity_archives
Hello, I just got a journal and thought I should introduce myself here.

You can call me Rami or Ramiel. I won't talk too much about myself, since I'm not comfortable being "out" yet, but I'm a bit of a rebel and I like folklore.

I'm part of a system that's not yet fully aware. The main host ("frontrunner"?) is worrisome. She doesn't believe in multiple personalities at all. She had a friend who was multiple, but she didn't believe her and I think she's scared her off entirely. What's a good way to start getting through to someone who doesn't want to believe you're there?

(crossposted, sorry if you see this more than once)

Date: 2004-11-24 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bizamoogie.livejournal.com
hey and welcome.

I've a lot of people around me who dont believe I'm multiple because it's not textbook. And I had a personality who didnt believe that I was a multiple. She didn't understand why she didnt look like herself when she was out..and..yeah. Confusion.

Anyway... hope to see you post here again soon!

Heather, Lori, Fi and Sarena.

Date: 2004-11-26 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-amarah360.livejournal.com
Our host was devistated and in disbelief when her x said that mpd might be a problem she has. She was very much in denial, which I suppose is easy to do when you are a core that is cut off from everyone else and amnestic.

[livejournal.com profile] belladonna1217 is the core of this system. She was scared and wanted to prove the x wrong or right. So she got some advice on how to reach out to her others if she had them. She left open invitations to write back to her in a note book and on her own journal. We discussed it and decided to go for it. Unfortunately leaving msgs around is the only way for her to hear any of us.

Perhaps you might try doing the same for your host. Write her some letters or notes in a notebook or someplace. Leave it somewhere she'll find it right away. In your notes or letters, invite her to write back with any questions or about anything. If she does, write back and keep it going. In the meantime, you will probably get other ideas of how you can get her attention or prove yourselves to her. I assume she can not hear any of you, or that trying to get her attention that way is just not working. Good luck! :)

~ * Lexi * ~

Date: 2004-11-26 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gia1977.livejournal.com
Hello Lexi. I'm friends with belladonna1217. It's nice to meet you.

Date: 2004-11-27 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-amarah360.livejournal.com
Hi Gia,
Nice to sort of officially meet you! If you don't mind, I'd like to add you to our friends list too. :-)

Date: 2004-11-26 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gia1977.livejournal.com
Hello nice to meet you

Date: 2004-11-26 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sethrenn.livejournal.com
Let's put it this way. When we first started to become aware, there was one person doing most of the frontrunning who began considering the idea of being multiple, that the 'imaginary people I talk to' were actually real and had as much right to personhood as she did. She kept going back on it and deciding it was 'just her imagination' and that she was 'making things up', because everyone knew that 'real multiples' could never figure it out on their own, they could never communicate properly unless they'd been in therapy, they could never remember what other people did when they were frontrunning. Despite all the overwhelming evidence that these were very different individuals with distinct ways of thinking and their own interests and opinions, she kept thinking it wasn't 'real' because she wasn't finding things in the closet she didn't buy and they all seemed to know each other and they weren't displaying super powers like in all the cheezy allegedly true stories of MPD.

I don't know if this is anything like your frontrunner's problem, why she's in denial of the rest of you, but thinking that there's some model you need to measure up to, some mold you need to fill, can be very intimidating and can go a long way towards selves-denial. So can friends who set bad examples and make it look like multiplicity is some horrible thing that no one would ever want.

As for how we got through to the person in question... well, there was someone who used to take the car out on long drives to prove to her that he had a will independent of hers, but that once ran us out of gas and left us stranded on a highway, so I'd put that down as a 'not recommended method,' along with anything else that's generally destructive to finances, possessions, relationships, or the body. Leaving notes for her, things in notebooks or diaries, can help. Try pursuing your own interests when you do have time at the front-- take up hobbies you enjoy, read things she might not be interested in. If you have the money to spare, buy things for yourselves that you enjoy and which she might not buy for herself. If everything else fails, time has power. Azu finally said "if this were a case of me 'making things up,' I'd have gotten tired of the gig long ago."

-Anthea and Shiu

Date: 2004-11-27 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idianshire.livejournal.com
That was where our denial came from. We were just too ordinary and indeed boring to be a "real multiple". No one woke up to find themselves at the other end of the country, no one had strangers calling us by other names, it was all so ordinary. Yeah there would be occasional hiccups, but nothing so dramatic it couldn't be explained away. And not the kind of denial explaining away, the explanations could actually make sense.

the person that had the most extreme denial, well we eventually pushed her too far and she doesn't participate as much in this world anymore. Btu there are other reasons for that as well. We spent a lot of time showing her how little control she had. Things like shaving all our hair off, and letting her wake up after a night spent with a man (she's lesbian). It constantly freaked otu, it didn't really work though. Eventually we decided we were just tormenting her and achieving nothing. So a sort of truce was met. She could deny being multiple, she could be confused about it andtherest of us would just carry on with our lives. Her saying, they aren't real, didn't make us go *poof*

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