I wonder is this type of situation what's behind some of these so-called success or miracle stories about children who supposedly overcame autism, allegedly chose to stop being autistic (as Raun Kahlil), CAN bilge about how there's a real child in there trapped in a shell of autism, etc., ad nauseum. The scams which have ruined the lives of so many autistics.
The autistic-behaving person, knowing he isn't wanted, departs the front and leaves a neurotypical-behaving person in charge.
Would it require a situation in which the brain is non-autistically hardwired -- this is why I said autistic-behaving -- so that the second person could behave neurotypically, with no trace of the autism left?
Or with an autistically-hardwired brain, the second person just imitates NT behaviour better than the first one (cf. Donna Williams, although as I underestand it she deliberately cultivated or created non-autistic selves). Other autistics would doubtless not be fooled for a minute.
I wonder if this happens maybe more often than we think. I know I'm rambling.
"The autistic-behaving person, knowing he isn't wanted, departs the front and leaves a neurotypical-behaving person in charge."
*sad nod* That's exactly what happened to Crist-Erui. He didn't ever "depart the front", but he got scared of people and wouldn't show himself any more. He used to go into our parents' room at night sometimes, though, and just stand there watching them sleep - he was so sad.
"Or with an autistically-hardwired brain, the second person just imitates NT behaviour better than the first one"
That would be me. It wsn't a very good imitation, but better than my poor 'brother' could ever have managed; good enough to "pass" at least.
It still makes Kír and me sad and angry to think about, because Crist-Erui is so loving and gentle a person, so full of light, and he's been "shut out" from the world of other people for most of his life. It's still really hard for him to see our parents too, especially our mother - he'll "flicker in" sometimes when I hug her, but she doesn't know he's there, and wouldn't accept him if she did know. He's her child as much as me, but none of her love is for him - basically, he lost his parents when he was five years old.
I grieve with you&. Something very similar happened to our chen people. Some of them died, many departed for realms unknown. Others simply will not front any more.
i feel for Crist-Erui as well very much and i live that life as well to a degree. my cores partner does not particularly want us here, i suspect b/c when they met "we" were integrated...a long story i will not get into as its not relevant here.
i have a question: neuro typical ? Forgive my perhaps silly & inane questions. It would help if the explanation is in plain talk too.
*bows demurely & waits patiently*
{J}tatiana
As an aside, i shall introduce myself at some point to this community i guess and tatiana will do if you wish to call me anything, the {J} honours my lovers name, who saw fit to collar me some months past.
neurotypical = someone who is not autistic, dyslexic, or any of the other things that are caused by brain hardwiring. It's so you don't say "normal" for non-autistic, non-dyslexic etc. The idea being that conditions like these are actually normal too -- variant normal like lefthandedness or multiplicity, but normal nonetheless. Removes the shame and guilt of having a "disorder" (or a child with same). Instead, acceptance into society as we are, without our having to change and pretend to be something we're not, and finding ways to use our unique skills in productive ways.
This is getting hammered out over at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotypical (more here: http://www.autistics.org)
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Date: 2004-11-17 11:56 pm (UTC)I wonder is this type of situation what's behind some of these so-called success or miracle stories about children who supposedly overcame autism, allegedly chose to stop being autistic (as Raun Kahlil), CAN bilge about how there's a real child in there trapped in a shell of autism, etc., ad nauseum. The scams which have ruined the lives of so many autistics.
The autistic-behaving person, knowing he isn't wanted, departs the front and leaves a neurotypical-behaving person in charge.
Would it require a situation in which the brain is non-autistically hardwired -- this is why I said autistic-behaving -- so that the second person could behave neurotypically, with no trace of the autism left?
Or with an autistically-hardwired brain, the second person just imitates NT behaviour better than the first one (cf. Donna Williams, although as I underestand it she deliberately cultivated or created non-autistic selves). Other autistics would doubtless not be fooled for a minute.
I wonder if this happens maybe more often than we think. I know I'm rambling.
Still thinking this over.
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Date: 2004-11-18 05:26 pm (UTC)*sad nod* That's exactly what happened to Crist-Erui. He didn't ever "depart the front", but he got scared of people and wouldn't show himself any more. He used to go into our parents' room at night sometimes, though, and just stand there watching them sleep - he was so sad.
"Or with an autistically-hardwired brain, the second person just imitates NT behaviour better than the first one"
That would be me. It wsn't a very good imitation, but better than my poor 'brother' could ever have managed; good enough to "pass" at least.
It still makes Kír and me sad and angry to think about, because Crist-Erui is so loving and gentle a person, so full of light, and he's been "shut out" from the world of other people for most of his life. It's still really hard for him to see our parents too, especially our mother - he'll "flicker in" sometimes when I hug her, but she doesn't know he's there, and wouldn't accept him if she did know. He's her child as much as me, but none of her love is for him - basically, he lost his parents when he was five years old.
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Date: 2004-11-19 11:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-11-21 11:22 pm (UTC)i have a question: neuro typical ? Forgive my perhaps silly & inane questions. It would help if the explanation is in plain talk too.
*bows demurely & waits patiently*
{J}tatiana
As an aside, i shall introduce myself at some point to this community i guess and tatiana will do if you wish to call me anything, the {J} honours my lovers name, who saw fit to collar me some months past.
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Date: 2004-12-30 04:59 pm (UTC)This is getting hammered out over at wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotypical
(more here: http://www.autistics.org)