multiplicity_archives | A Duo of Thoughts...

1. do you have animals? Yes, there are animals and different creatures on our worlds.

2. how does that work for you? Similar to how it works here on earth; not the same, but similar.

3. Does anyone have any soulbonds from their own creations? Thought-created people? Yes, to varying degrees.

4. Would you consider these soulbonds fake or at least not as real? Absolutely not!

We have alters who figure in our own fiction - however, I can't honestly tell you which came first, the fiction or the person, so I don't know if they count as soulbonds, really.

In some cases it is obvious that the fiction is about an alter... but Meriah's birth was so connected to writing her story that I can't say one way or another. If she was (she's dead now) a "soulbond" she was absolutely as "real" as any other.

et al

Hmmm... thats odd. I just realized there aren't any animals in our headspace.

Also, yes, we have "insourced" fiction bonds, and we consider them just as real as any others.

1. yes.. they're.. um. there. I dunno, they're just there, minding their own business(es) o_O; *not helping at all

2. yep. just recently (like, 3 days ago) someone showed up and we were like "who the hell are you?" because he was acting very.. familiar (as in, he's acting familiar to us, we were "whuh?")
after that it was found out that he used to be a (passing) minor fiction character some 6-7 years ago. we really have forgotten him, but he has grown in those years, and apparently, gaining 'life'
.. still undecided, but if he gets active and stuff, sure, join in >_>;

- Oz

do you have animals? Yes, just like in the earth world

If so, how does that work for you?since our realm inside is a large river valley, it has provided a good balance..it gives people somethings to hunt when they need, gives the children ways to learn about the world, and is useful in lots of different ways.

We do not have soulbonds, at least none that we recognize as such.

Yes, we have animals. They vaguly resemble earth animals. We also have sentient animals as well. Animal helpers, people who shift into animal forms, etc.

No soulbonds of our own creation here.

Hmmm We have some animals who act as they would in the outside world, a puppy, a few cats, and if you count the other system we interact with on a regular basis there is an area where there are wild rabbits, turtles, and a goat lol and im not sure what else. We also have other animals, moor cats who look like huge greyish tigers and one who turned himself into a huge white tiger who were created to be protectors for certain people in the systems. We also have a few dragons in here but we dont consider them animals they are more like people to us but thats hard to explain.

We also have a few dragons in here but we dont consider them animals they are more like people to us but thats hard to explain.

Ditto that for me. I was going to say something simillar but decided that, yeah, the dragon isn't an animal really... not the sort the poster meant. An animal like a human is an animal, yes.

we don't have any animals, but our honeycomb is localized...there are insects in Tara's garden, though...

There was a soulbond from my roleplaying game once...Aion...she was sort of me, though, and sort of not me...it was odd...

Rick
Pack Collective

1. Do you have animals?
Yes, indeedy.

2. How does that work for you?
Same as on earth? Some are food, some are pets, some are pains in the butt when it comes to my garden.

3. Does anyone have any soulbonds from their own creations?
Yes, two of them, but I have to make one other comment... If a soulbond differs significantly from his canon, I think he borders on a re-creation, if that makes sense.

4. Would you consider these soulbonds fake or at least not as real? Absolutely not!

I have a whole universe inside, though I've only explored a small fraction of four galaxies.

1.) Do You have animals?
Yes. Every world has its animals, many brought there by terraformers, but others are native.

2.) How does that work?
Pretty much as in this reality. It varies from political unit to unit, but most just inhabit there niches as in nature, some are pets, and very rarely some are used as food.

3.) Does anyone have soulbonds from their own creations?
I don't know yet. Being that they would be considered my own creations(not a creation fo the universe), and that only one has ever fronted and that was in a very different form than his main timeline, I'm really not sure.

4.) Would I consider them fake?
No! Of course not! In fact that whole universe is as real to me as this one.

Thanks everyone! I've been wondering about these things, and it's nice to have new perceptions of such topics!

I've been wondering about soulbonds...because it seems my 'baby' creation (a world, its races, its magic, its gods, its whole exsistance really) seems to be becoming 'more real' to me inside.

I don't know if this is because I've been spending more time writing about it or vise versa.

-P.C.

--"Off the Pink."--

Can we friend you?

Sure, thanks for asking. My journal is pretty boring though, as all I do is complain or spout about silly things.

-P.C.

--"Off the Pink."--

Yup we have a few animals that are just animals. Most of them were from some event in our childood and they were brought inside to be safe. Like a cat.

...they were brought inside to be safe.

Suffering animals have always elaborately disturbed me, and when I was about 23yrs old, I found an injured crow dying in the middle of the industrial yards I was walking through. Eventually, I envisioned a forested gorge and I visualized this crow dying here and coming to live there safely. The imagery was very vivid and I promised to continue to believe in it as long as I was alive to do so. It's like "the heaven where animals can come" nowadays, when I have cause to think of it, and I have invited several to inhabit it over the years.

Would that be a "place" the way I see people on here talk about places? Just because I extend a large degree of hope that it exists outside my own imaginings of it?

What a lovely story. Too bad you couldn't help the poor thing. You might want to become an animal rescue volunteer or make that your charity. We always give to The Fund for Animals (http://www.fundforanimals.org/).

We have always been of the very firm opinion that "places", other worlds, dimensions, etc., can be created as well as discovered. We're not sure that we didn't create Laura. Here's what we were told by a trusted friend with her own beautiful world, several years ago.

In her world, some places are imagined into being. Some imagined places become independent of people willing it to exist, and they say those are "created" places. Other places stay "imagined" in the sense that they are only there when the people who imagined them are focusing on them.

Her opinion on our worry that we "just made up" Laura: "If you initially created your own land, that is an amazing powerful thing."

We believe there is a next life, and for animals too. We add our belief to yours.

We believe there is a next life, and for animals too. We add our belief to yours.

*deeply touched*

I permanently honor and love kinship ties with all those who care for the animals this sincerely.

Places like that one must exist simply because they should. My hope has long been that I was led to imagine it, in a moment of crisis, in order to strengthen access to what already was there anyway. I know that I have a lifelong connection to that space and to the new lives I believe reside there.

Our current internal structure is more or less like a gutted out office building for reference. It's "inside", to give you an idea, and we don't have any animals except for ourselves.

But i decided to respond because of the soulbond comment. We're the Elses and are solely earth-based/body-interfaced or whatever. We MADE our other place.

But we have a secondary system, called the Mused Ones (named by the whispered ones, actually) who are a gateway system - have their own world and lives and interact with Us on a case-by-case basis. We consider them soulbonds because we started interacting with them AS that, and they've decided they don't mind the terminology so it's cool.

We consider them not only totally real but a part of the reason we're as sane as we are, honestly.

No animals, nothing.

Well, except a cat a friend gave to us.

I figure this is because to have animals, they'd have to have conciousness. And as ours is not a pre-existing world (it was created by and for us), we'd have to create or recieve any conciousness. Right down to bugs. Which means there's absolutely fuck all 'alive' in our world except, well, us.

One person floating around here could possibley be called an insourced SoulBond (that is, from 'our own creation'.) He's as real as any of us, though it does get confusing sometimes.

I figure this is because to have animals, they'd have to have conciousness. And as ours is not a pre-existing world (it was created by and for us), we'd have to create or recieve any conciousness. Right down to bugs. Which means there's absolutely fuck all 'alive' in our world except, well, us.

Same for us. It's kind of unnerving, because there's a pretty big outdoors area now, and still devoid of anything 'alive' (if you don't count plants) besides us.

It's kind of unnerving, because there's a pretty big outdoors area now, and still devoid of anything 'alive'

This is one reason we avoided going inside (and still don't venture out of the 'house'). Because it is frankly very fucking creepy. It's not a proper planet with working gravitational cycles or anything either, so there's no real breeze or weather change or... well, much really. It's quite a scary place. Especially before we moved in, when the whole place was fairly clinical.

The outside area still just creeps us all out.

We have weather, night and day, and whatnot, though it's a bit unnatural. Doesn't stop the others from going out-- they created it for that in the first place. But I'm content with windows for now, 'cause the idea of being out there in the ... semi-void is rather creepy to me. I just like the breezes and sunlight, which is a better view than what I had before.

--Li

Ja, we sometimes mess with the day/night thing, and may eventually try to actually kickstart it cycling. Back when I first lurked there it was actually perma-night for me, and perma-day for Lu, even when we sat together... o_O Don't ask, I have no idea.

Odd I had never thought of it this way but our weather is always "nice" and sunny unless we make it otherwise. I remember one time this year it rained inside and people were happy but I guess someone made that happen. My little sister's puppy is the only one who doesnt have some sort of consciousness other than just being a puppy. Sometimes I think even Sage's cats are up to something *lol*.

We've got animals, to an extent. I usually don't notice them much.

One of my headmates is insourced. Landlady did art of the character concept, and a few months later she showed up in headspace. She's as real as I am, but definitely different. The difference is more in her personality than it is from being insourced, however.

We have animals... most of them pretty much act like Earth animals, though they, somehow, have voice boxes capable of speaking in human tongues.
The rest of the animals that don't speak our language seem to be calm with us. They're not quite skittish at all.
I suppose I could blame that to most of us humanoids (excluding a few vamps) being vegetarians here.

The animals who do speak our language are more like familiars and friends than anything else. We don't keep animals in cages here, nor do we keep them as pets (though some of them make poor roommates I'll admit!)

Because of our relationship with animals inside we have a higher respect for the animals on Earth, even though they are not capable of speaking in our tongue. We actually don't eat meat (it's a little annoying to one of the vamps in the system), and we would never go hunting. We regard animals as equals.... especially the shape-shifters who understand quite well the instinctual part of being an animal (something it seems humans forgot).

Sorry, I just rambled.

Pan

do you have animals? Lots and lots of kitties.

how does that work for you? Very well - it's important that they're there, just being cats and doing cat-things. The SB community takes care of them, but they go wherever they please.

Soulbonds from their own creations? Yeps, kind of a mix of original persons combined with outside bonds that don't have a separate physical form in my system. There's also bonds from an AU I didn't create.

Not as real as another type of soulbond? Nope! I mean, they're there. X3

For our mindspace, well, in the house there are no animals currently, though Ballari, the short chick here, is trying to convince us to give in to have a few to keep outside. Puppy may be about ready to give into her demands as he has plenty of space outside. In his and the 'bonder's space, were we're allowed to go, there are some wild animals, and I think cows are kept on someone's farm according to Puppy, but I haven't been there really. I keep to the common area of the "house" and then my own space really.

Plenty of people have soulbonds of they "created." They're called insourced bonds as opposed to outsourced bonds, which are like the Jack Sparrow and Cloud bonds running all over.

All three of us in headspace are insourced. There's a fourth that may be here, but good luck getting the 'bonder to admit to him and if he's really here, he's outsourced. We're just as real as any other bond, and people in the 'bonder's life who have interacted with us view us as real and as individuals. Each of us also represent a side of the 'bonder we think, but that's a bit difficult to explain since we're also all each our own person.

we have animals. 'average', normal, earth-type (mammals, fish, birds- lots of birds), and some weird ones. we don't hunt them, they're just.. there. the House is full of lots of cats, too.

and, um, I'm insourced (I sort of.. grew in-system/died and ended up in-system, out of a story one of our frontrunners was writing at the time). been around for about five, six years; I'm just as 'real' as any of the soulbonds in our system. ;) a whole bunch of us are actually insourced; some of them are pretty quiet, but.. yeah, just as real as anyone else.

~marie

We're all created from the inside, even me, so if that's what you mean, no, it doesn't make us fake or any less real than a walk-in, just different.

--Benjamin

Does anyone have any soulbonds from their own creations (as in fiction, art, etc., etc.)? If so, how has that worked for you?

Most of them are from things I created entirely alone, if that's more what you were going for, and that definitely doesn't have any affect on them being more or less real than... Benjamin or Iroh. And I'm not sure what you mean by "how has that worked" unless you're wondering if there are specifically issues that insourced 'bonds have that outsourced don't. In which case I'd say the only thing that comes to mind is it's a bit awkward sometimes, because they don't really want autobiographies of themselves, but to create something entirely new, I'd have to scrap the story again. Which would probably create (a) new bond(s) somewhere along the line and I'd have the same problem all over again, so we're just going with it, and they tell me when I'm crossing the line.

--Li

Yeah, we have animals hopping and crawling about in our headspace. Their existence works the same way it does in the Earth world (our headspace is like an alternate Earth, more or less). We have the giraffes and bears and other critters who live in the wilderness, and we don't interact with them too much. Then we have the usual array of household pets, food animals, pesky insects, etc.

As for insourced bonds, everyone on our team is a creation of our original person. Are we real? Most of us say yes. Our original is not sure which position to take on that question. But most of us function better than many non-created people out there, so we figure, why not consider ourselves real?

Mind if we friend you,

matrexsvigil?

-- John and Craig

Sure, thanks for asking. =) My journal is pretty lame, as I stated earlier. Lots of ramblings or being sad about random stuff. ^^

-P.C.

--"Off the Pink."--

This one took me a bit, because I don't spend as much time 'outside' while up there as the rest of me, but then I remembered birdwatching with Arthur and Alex going fishing. So, yes, we have normal animals up there. There's also a pack of talking wolves.

No, no "actual" animals, who behave similarly to those outside of ourselves. We did have The Beast, but that was by far a normal creature.

- Auroch

by far NOT a normal creature.*

Animals, yes. We need something to eat, after all, and then things like insects eating dead bodies and stuff. Very Earth-like.

Soulbonds of our own fiction would be Julien and Morgan. Both of them are from a MUD we play. Morgan isn't quite as similar to the character as Julien is. Julien is very similar and doesn't front very much because we're quite often on the MUD and it unnerves him. Plus he doesn't entirely understand a lot about the outside world, the MUD is medieval fantasy.

-Kei (but using Morgan's icon since I'm mentioning her :))

We have animals in the forest around the system house. They're all normal animals like you might find in any forest in the earth world. A while back there were a few sentient animals wandering around, but we've not seen them in a while. We don't go outside the house very often.

Insourced bonds. Yes, we have one of those. Jade was an original character of mine, created for FF7 fanfiction/RPGs. She was, like

ricktboy described, "sort of me, though, and sort of not me". We consider her to be just as real as any of us. I tend to be iffy on the insourced types. Its much easier for me to accept and comprehend the idea of outsourced bonds (which oddly enough seems to be the opposite for most people). I've always accepted other peoples insourced bonds though, I'm just iffy with my own. I've never managed to get past the whole "created by my mind = not real" frame of mind.

But I accept Jade, possibly because while she was an original character, she was still created for/came from an outside source.

There are plenty of animals, birds, fish, insects, etc. on Laura -- a full ecosystem. Most of them would look recognizable to an earth person -- same as the people of Laura look human. We wrote a little of this up on

beyondthegates some time back. You might like that community, it's slow but interesting. Run by

idianshire.

A soulbond from one's own fiction, a lot of people call those "insourced" soulbonds, and one that came from something that you didn't write would be "outsourced".

Actually the word soulbond to mean a character who shares your mind/body space originally meant one that came from your own writing. Using the word "soulbond" for this experience started in 1996, from a woman in an online writers' club.

But even if these things weren't known about, a soulbond that comes from your own writing is not fake or phony or anything to worry about. The most important thing is to trust your own experience first.

For those of you who have mindspaces (forgive my terminology) or even whole planets/solar systems/universes inside, do you have animals?

There's birds outside the house and maybe the odd small forest creature, but that's about it. We don't have any pets or anything. I've never really paid attention to how they act. Normally, I'd guess.

Does anyone have any soulbonds from their own creations (as in fiction, art, etc., etc.)? If so, how has that worked for you? Would you consider these soulbonds fake or at least not as real as another type of soulbond?

I have one. She's as real as the others. Every soulbond works a bit differently, but she's the same in the ways that you're talking about.

Yes we have animals.. Depends on which part of our place you are at what kind and how they are. In the house we have a Parrot which our ISH created for one of our family. We have a Dog which one of our littles,and a big and our oldest outside son helped to creat. He lives in the back yard in a nice dog house. He use to live inside but not anymore. We have 2 cats... a toad and fish inside. They act like normal pets. Except for the Dog. his name is Rex. He was created from a movie where this dog had all kinds of DNA . in the movie the dog was mean but this one is not. But he has the brain of a chimp, he has claws like a cat. We also have a Iguana. 2 meat eatting plants.We have a turkey.. he was ment to be food, but one of the littles got real upset about 4 years ago and begged to keep him as a pet. A snake which we made a home for Way Way out in the Far back place. these are all what i would call pets...
but then we have natural animals that i dont know where come from. like birds, butterflys, rabbits..worms.. those type ...
Now in what we call the enchanted garden which is the front yard.
It is what it sounds like enchanted. is MANY animals of all kinds. from flying horses to unicorns, lions, tigers, bears, you name it. they are very tame and will come up to you with no problem.. in the front is also the natural animals. We have been told is some dragons but we have not found them yet. and our dwaftelf girl can talk to most of the animals.
we have fish in the waters in our universe..and toads, turtles..
so i think our pets are created by our ISH or two adults. we made a rule that two adults have to creat a pet. because the kids would go around making them all the time.. now the other animals i am not sure if our ISH makes them or if was just there.
Reberto's community... (angel)

oh no. i forgot our ponies in the back yard. they were gifts to the littles for xmas... and then one of the bigs got one.....
also about the snake. he is gone to his own place because what happened before we had the rule for two to think on a pet to creat. one of our bigs did it on her own and she thought and thought of this untile it got to be so big we did not know what to do. he is so big he has wild bores where he is to be used as food.....

The royal family of Varai on Laura got presents like that some years ago from

firewheelvortex... beautiful unicorns from the Misty Realms. They are still there, and they've had a few babies. They're in the royal gardens which are not particularly enchanted, except for the unicorns, but they're open to the public. Little kids like to ride them around.

Snakes are awesome. On Laura, they're good luck. People have small ones in houses like cats.

1. Uhm, yeah, there are animals (well, besides the humans) and plants and insects and so forth. I guess I should start out by saying that for my world, I don't actually perceive it as existing inside, just as something that happens to already exist and that I'm broadcasting from, so to speak. Insert disclaimer about subjective experiences here, and how it matters less to me if people decide it's real elsewhere or just a subjective construct and not anything that exists physically, as whether they respect that it's my experience, regardless of *what* they think it is. Yadda yadda yadda. But, yeah, there are ecosystems just as there are on Earth, and wild and domestic animals and so forth. We don't have any animal frontrunners. It would probably be interesting if we did.

2. I'll have to get back to this later, probably after I make a post of my own, because now I'm having scruples on the exact definition of what an insourced soulbond is, or what other people are using it to mean, anyway.

we gots kitys

1. We have regular Earth animals on our alternate version of Earth, and on HalialKen, we have equivalent to late Cretaceous animals. (i.e. Dinosaurs). There's ceratopsians, hadrosaurs, pachys, and the only anomaly is the huge Dar'akain, or Sauropods that at their ripe old ages are at least a head taller than the native sentient Tyrannosaurid species at full size.

2. Simple, HalialKen is hunter-gatherer, and different species are preyed upon by different sentients. Roth'in prefer Kuk'achin, or Hadrosaur meat, Xeltrigan prefer Ankylosaur meat, etc. On our Earth, the native hominids eat pretty much the same kinds of meat the humans of this Earth do. The Gulganin eat an omnivorous diet, the others are mostly herbivorous.

3. We have a few of those kinds of soulbonds. One of them managed to break free of the restraints on his shapeshifting, and now appears as whomever he chooses. I know Rachel of our system and the Baron Harkonnen have soulbonded characters from their writings, and Tony has also about 5 soulbonds. However, soulbonding is rarer in Roth'in and the peoples of HalialKen than it is even on the Earth of our reality.

4. FAKE?!! Bah, if they're fake then I really don't owe our resident shapeshifter some money. No, they're not fake!

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