The multiple/borderline link

[drleanne.livejournal.com]

Here is a link to pages in a book called Borderline Personality Disorder, etiology and treatment that suggests a link btween BPD and MPD, tho this study is suggesting that the borderline did not have the full dissociative capacity to split which i admit iss different than what i presented earlier.

Google Book Link

Now the stuff that i was talking about earlier may have been declared defunct. I don't know. Thats cool if it is and i am sorry that I didn't have the most current information. And yes, I admit i may have over generalized when I said most.

This topic has been talked about with a psychologist friend of mine, and when I get together with her again I'll ask for more current journal entries and whatnot.

         

Comments

[cirape.livejournal.com]

Actually, that says that the causes (or some of the causes) are similar and that they studied people with both BPD and MPD.
I will admit, however, that I only read the page you linked us to.

[catskillmarina.livejournal.com]

Otto Von Kernberg included MPD in his theory of Borderline Personality Organization
creating a big category of people he believes that have poor sense of self. I would
rather take object relational theory and use it to show how a mind can form/contain
objects that happen to be people in their own right defining themselves against each
other and against their experiences in the world.

I would agree witht the study that BPD should be included in an impulse control problem
category and i would say that any impulse control problem is highly indicative of head
injury. We had moderatly bad impulse control problems until we were put on an
anticonvulsant. The severe impulse control problems have been fairly well linked in my
case to a nasty bike accident where i was knocked out and recieved 2 blows one of which
put dents in my helmet.

Personally i would argue that most people have a degree of multiplicity in themselves
but it never gets to the point that it is noticed and in people with a GREAT deal of
multiplicity in themselves it is not noticed until they get sick for some reason and
the multiplicity is blamed.

--- miri of mtribe

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Thank you for locating the book. I'd be interested in hearing what your friend has to say.

Borderline personality disorder has been a trashcan diagnosis for quite a long time -- that is, it is used as a conditional diagnosis so that a client can get insurance to pay for sessions while working with the therapist to uncover what is really wrong. I'm not against trashcan diagnoses per se, but this practise does lead to a number of misunderstandings, espcially as the definition of what BPD is has changed over the years.

Some professionals in the wake of the overdiagnosis scandal claimed that clients who actually had BPD had been diagnosed with MPD, perhaps in an honest mistake, perhaps for the prestige (MPD being more glamorous), perhaps for the insurance money (MPD being more lucrative). These are some of the reasons I'm suspicious of attempts to link the two. There isn't enough evidence for much of anything in psychology, and this sounds like another attempt at a grand unified theory of everything -- in this case, in terms of dissociation, a la Marlene Steinberg.

I wonder could you enclose that long URL within anchor tags and give it a briefer name. "Quote from Borderline Personality Disorder, Etiology and Treatment" would be fine.

[hazelwindows.livejournal.com]

Borderline personality disorder has been a trashcan diagnosis for quite a long time -- that is, it is used as a conditional diagnosis so that a client can get insurance to pay for sessions while working with the therapist to uncover what is really wrong.

So *that's* why that one lady tried to explain she wanted to place me in that category in her report, while hastening to assure me that this was not her actual evaluation of my personality. After reading a little on the tempers attributed to some BPD cases, I had wondered if maybe she just hadnt wanted to tell me that this was what she really thought of me in case I suddenly "lashed out" and turned against her or something.
"Trashcan diagnosis" sounds right to me, I have asked and asked and the definition remains vague and changing depending on who or where or when the facts are being gathered from, in my experience.

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

Why do I have a Madonna song playing in my thoughts? lol

-Butterfly

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

well, what I've always wondered is borderline between what and what??

Nicky

[coconutchica.livejournal.com]

from my research, btwn psychosis and neurosis. i know borderline is a weird diagnosis but its' the best one i have for what's wrong with me....

i mostly hate having no clue who i am. i defintely dissociate but more between my mind, body, and spirit. i consider them totally separate, and if i'm doing something with one of them, i can't really do something with another part. like, if i'm walking and carrying something, i'm consumed by my body, so my emotions just have to wait. i'll tell people that i'll care later. i can re-live my emotions at any time bc i just push them down if it's an inconvenient time to have them, bc they overwhelm my entier being. i feel them everywhere.

i'm entirely concrete. i'm like a little kid. when i try to make a metaphor or summarize something i just can't do it. i live moment to moment in the details of life, i have no concept of the big picture or probability or anything. that's why i have a huge fear of abandonment and suck at hypotheses and dont see any patterns. i just connect random things, mostly by words, bc words can't fail me. they are truth. i trust them. i can't trust people, they make mistakes. they can change from second to second and become different people, nice or not nice, good or bad, caring or cold.

so i just make rules for every person in every situation and try to only allow situations to happen that i like so that people will react how i like. and i only think its ok to have emotions that other ppl have so i always smile so that other people will so i can relax inside and know i can have a real smile then.

it's very confusing.

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

that sounds like a spiritual issue instead of just a mind one. Like finding a way to ground mind, body, and spirit and allowing them to work in harmony. Of course that sounds like when a therapist would say that plural people need to merge into one and work in harmony. lol so what do I know?

-Butterfly

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

Some of what you say here sounds neurological / cognitive, not an emotional or mental illness. Have you been checked out for developmental disability or a developmental phase disorder?

[tej-agni.livejournal.com]

between what the doctor considers normal and what is considered not normal? Maybe every therapist has their own ideas on what is normal.

-Butterfly

[tahaton.livejournal.com]

Good question. I thought about it just now and wondered maybe if it's a reference to the way people with borderline can switch from idolising to demonising so fast, rather than having a genuine opinion one way or another. That's my random speculation anyway :)