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[bacskocky.livejournal.com]

It's people liek this that cause the world of multiples to never be seen for what it truly is

(btw, for those of you who don't know me (pretty much everyone) I'm a non-multiple whose SO is a member of a multiple system)

EDIT:

The purpose of me posting this was not to bash one specific person for their belief on how they should treat my SO. This is jsut the first example I've gotten that is in WRITING of the way so many people think that a few pamphlets, a couple documentaries, and maybe a book or two and they're geniuses on the topic. They're the ones who don't see that whether someone is faking the "disorder" or not, it is often a defense mechanism, not something for purely attention. Even if it IS for attention, maybe teh person believes that surrounding themselves with a large number of peopel on the outside will protect them.

Comments

[saturniakitty.livejournal.com]

Is the target of that post your SO?

[chrisau8r.livejournal.com]

Yea I am, either that or there's something I should know. :P

Dat

[thebkcam.livejournal.com]

Yeeeeeeah, people like this make me spew. 'Cause of course, you can't really be multiple if you have actual intrasystem communication. Kinda like how you're not really mute if you use sign language on a daily basis. Or you're not really African American if you don't like rap or hiphop.

[chrisau8r.livejournal.com]

I guess he probly thinks I'm Grumpy. Coz, you know, I'm never not angry. That's why Steph likes me so much, coz I'm always angry at her. lmao

Dat

[westly.livejournal.com]

Especially if you have no personal experiance with intrasystem communication, you're the best person to ridicule another person.

I agree with you. Spew.

[echthros.livejournal.com]

... To be honest, that just doesn't make any sense to me.

[chrisau8r.livejournal.com]

You know, the really, really funny part about this is, this guy hardly knows us. We've had mabye four convos with him, ever. Note that he ain't even on our friends list. Him and this other guy who lives in the same house as him (four doors down from us, yuck) are letting me practice my skills of what Chris calls faux-civility though, lol, when they post on our journal.

Dat

[duathir.livejournal.com]

You do not have to allow them to post on your journal - instructions for blocking them may be found here (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=23). You do not even have to allow them to read your journal - go here (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqbrowse.bml?faqid=120) for further information.

[ksol1460.livejournal.com]

I tell ya I really gotta hand it to pengke trying to straighten this troll out but unfortunately I bet he won't listen, because what pengke said made sense.

[bacskocky.livejournal.com]

based on his reply to pengke, all multiple cases are exactly the same, although they still are highly unlikely to exist. *blinks* He needs to expand his research material...

[whisperedones.livejournal.com]

Heaven forbid anyone should have good communication in their respective systems, right? Not everyone has blackouts, not everyone has loss of time, and (though Our system isn't one of them) not all systems were born of trauma! >_< Ahh, trolls.

Off topic

[krystale.livejournal.com]

BTW, whisperedones, I like your icon.

So does Eppi.

[nematoddity.livejournal.com]

That's actually something I'm trying to track down articles/research on--'not all systems were born of trauma'. Just about everything I've read has told me severe trauma makes the multiple, and, you know, you'd think I'd remember something that major...I'm thinking, for me at least, it's just another way of coping with an unusual childhood, but one that--far as I know--involved no abuse...

(Long-winded way of asking, know any good links?)

[krystale.livejournal.com]

Eeh, some people are dorktastic. But then, we've been known to be pretty dorktastic ourselves sometimes.

I'd like to bring to light what I feel to be the bottom line. It was something offered to me by one of our therapists. It dosn't matter who believes in the people who believe themselves to be multiples or who believes in multiplicity in general, just that we respect eachothers right to use any means including multiplicity to relate to the world and cope with it so long as we don't harm anyone.

He also taught me that normal is just a wash setting.

Smart guy. Cheers Ted.

Y'fandes Mae
of Krystale

[whispersong.livejournal.com]

normal is just a wash setting.

*falls over laughing* I absolutely *must* remember that one!! ty ever so much for that !

{J}tatiana

[multi-psychosis.livejournal.com]

Ok, I know I'm bound to get nailed by someone for this....

In the original poster's defense... it is hard to be on the outside. The husband has had many conversations between Us that didn't mesh and odd facts that didn't match up.

Now, to redeem myself.

I think that his lack of decorum by bringing a post like that in here was just ignorant. His issue is with his SO (and sorry if it's female that posted, you get where I'm going either way), and if the question was "How can I tell if they're faking?' then that should have been the question asked. I think that because of the lack of info provided, that this person was also just looking to start a community arguement with the comment about inside communication.

The person really should just sit down with their SO and talk it out, and ask questions, rather than jump on a community board and throw accusations.

[hairymonster.livejournal.com]

Living in the same city as chrisau8r and having once moved in much the same social circles I have a little more background on this situation. I hope I'm not treading on Dat's toes here.

The poster is part of a social group known as KAOS (its a university club sortof). It is full of (to put it politely) pseudo-intellectuals who take great pleasure in being extremely pedantic and skeptical of anything which remotely strikes them as "trendy and PC". Many people there take great delight in running down and viciously attacking anyone who does not conform to their particular accepted norms. It would be hard to find a group more riddled with backbitting, infighting and vicious rumour mongering.

Putting it bluntly, its fully of wankers and posers. The poster (and several others) fall into this group. Ignore them, they are trolling mainly for reaction.

[bacskocky.livejournal.com]

AS I put into my edit on the original post on this community, (and I am in fact female) my purpose was not to start a fight. And accusing me of such is generalizing me into a group of people who like to just start fights. If I wanted to start a fight, I would've fought him myself.

I did not accuse him of anything. It IS stuff liek that being said that when multiples finally start to get respect, dumps them back a dozen or so steps.

As for whether or not there's faking, I honestly don't give a damn. And I HAVE sat down with my SO and talked about this stuff.

I didn't mean for this to be the opinion of one person against the world: I've heard this "multiples are faking it" and "multiples don't actually exist" argument a lot in the last few years alone. Even if he IS specifically targetting one person, I'm not.

[duathir.livejournal.com]

I think you have misunderstood. bacskocky is chrisau8r's SO. uzielnz is the one who has said she/they are faking, and did not say it here, but rather on his own journal. bacskocky posted the link to his post in an effort to gather support from this community for chrisau8r.

[uzielnz.livejournal.com]

I didn't post it on this community, I didn't ever realize this community existed until it was cross posted here by someone else.

[shandra.livejournal.com]

Naw, it's not people like that that cause multiples to be seen a specific way. His opinion is pretty irrelevant. :)

Shandra

[el-gremmo.livejournal.com]

It's good to see there is some sense floating about this corner of the internet. Uziel's comments - like mine - are mere breaths in the vast weather pattern of our existence, however you may wish to live it.

- Gremlyn
Just please don't let Pengke bomb us. Latent Republicanism, I reckon.

[duathir.livejournal.com]

This may be considered an unpopular view, but obnoxious and ignorant as he may be, perhaps uzielnz has a point. The opinions of people like him are indeed irrelevant, and have little bearing on the way multiples are generally seen - it is the conduct of multiples that makes the difference.

Many people who are themselves multiple find "lilspeak" irritating as well as inauthentic. Physical children do not speak or write that way, and someone who is capable of posting to Livejournal is also capable of using the spell-check function.

It is one's own business what one writes in one's own journal, and who one allows to read it. However, to post in "lilspeak" in a public journal, to let the ownership of the journal be known to realtime acquaintances, and to expect or demand acceptance of multiplicity from those acquaintances, is to invite attack, or at least serious skepticism. Therefore one ought not to be surprised when that is what one receives.

Mutiplicity is not socially acceptable. Whether this is "fair" or not is beside the point. The fact is that telling people that one shares one's body with others is most likely to cause them to assume that one is either mentally ill or lying. Therefore, unless they have compelling reasons not to make those assumptions, such as long-term intimate friendship or being multiple themselves, it is folly to tell them.

The psychiatric establishment classes DID as a mental disorder, and denies the possibility of any other sort of multiplicity. The fact that the psychiatric establishment is an instrument of repressive social control with a long history of perpetrating atrocities against the innocent, and whose theories of mental illness have no scientific basis, does not matter. The same statement could have been made about the Inquisition, but doing so would not have saved anyone from the rack and the stake.

Most people believe whatever they are told by those in power, and will not believe anything to the contrary unless they have both a logical and an emotional reason to do so. Ignorant casual acquaintances have neither. That is just the way things are.

[pythia.livejournal.com]

"The psychiatric establishment classes DID as a mental disorder, and denies the possibility of any other sort of multiplicity."
Actually, no, it doesn't deny the possibility at all. It may be skeptical about the exsitence of such a condition, but I think saying that they deny any possibility is being just a little extreme.

"The fact that the psychiatric establishment is an instrument of repressive social control with a long history of perpetrating atrocities against the innocent..."
Uh. Conspiracy theorist? Over the top, for sure.

*glee*

[binkenstein.livejournal.com]

Oh, cool, a good old fashioned arguement.

I don't particularly care if she's got real MPD or not, I'd just she didn't harp on about it all the time. It seems to be that MPD is her banner, her security blanket, her excuse, her claim to fame.
I'm a "minor bpd (bi-polar)" person (at least, thats what I think, and most of my friends agree. My doctor hasn't been very helpful about the whole thing), yet I don't throw this about as an excuse. I'll occasionaly say "depends what mood I'm in" and leave it at that.
I don't particularly like it, I'm learning to control it, and I definatly don't use it as a method of gaining attention for myself. (Yes, ok, most of my friends know I'm slightly mental, but aside from a few who read my journal, I don't discuss it with people).

Anyway, I'll admit it can be confusing at times when she's talking on IRC as Dat, Chris, or whoever (I think we've had 5 out of 127 or so (its a number I got from somewhere, not sure where, but it sticks. Could be my memory getting crossed again) appear), but it gets quite confusing initialy trying to tell them apart. Initialy "Dat"'s use of english was very bad, and thus I could at least figure that out. But now aside from gender references and names, it all seems the same.

Got sidetracked again I think.
A word of advice: if you are realy MPD, then have a "spokespersonality" and have them deal with the real world. Then the rest of us won't look at you going "wtf is up with them?"

Re: *glee*

[pengke.livejournal.com]

While we would never describe ourselves as having a disorder, we do do something similar to what you described at the end. We use a fictitious persona that we must conform to when interacting with most people. It keeps a semblance of consistency when we individually will have different opinions or behaviors. It consists of things like answering to our given name, using the body's gender, not saying that you hate something when it's well known that others like the thing, ect. It's not a real person though; just us pretending. In a way, I'd imagine it's like creating a role-playing character as many of the traits we decide upon beforehand.