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[bacskocky.livejournal.com]

It's people liek this that cause the world of multiples to never be seen for what it truly is

(btw, for those of you who don't know me (pretty much everyone) I'm a non-multiple whose SO is a member of a multiple system)

EDIT:

The purpose of me posting this was not to bash one specific person for their belief on how they should treat my SO. This is jsut the first example I've gotten that is in WRITING of the way so many people think that a few pamphlets, a couple documentaries, and maybe a book or two and they're geniuses on the topic. They're the ones who don't see that whether someone is faking the "disorder" or not, it is often a defense mechanism, not something for purely attention. Even if it IS for attention, maybe teh person believes that surrounding themselves with a large number of peopel on the outside will protect them.

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[misplaced-ice.livejournal.com]

Fair enough.

I acknowledge that women are vital to the continuation of the species whereas we only really need a few healthy (hopefully oiled and naked) men.

However, I was only using the example of my brother and his girlfriend because (in this way) they are completely different to the normal mode of gender relations. (She also likes to wear pretty skirts ... mind you, so does he.)

The main point I was attempting to make is that you are making a lot of generalisations.

"I am sorry, but it is not for women to say what is the duty of men, any more than it is for men to say what is the duty of women."

And its not for you to say what is the duty of men, anymore than it is not for me to say what is the duty of women.

"Boys do not have to defend girls because of physical differences, but because it is the opinion of men that this is what is right for them to do."

You are assuming that all men hold the same opinion.

"You may consider that the male urge to defend women is a survival trait - not only because dead women cannot bear or raise children, but also because when women fight, they do not tend to take prisoners."

Is there a "male urge" to defend women?

I'm sorry, but all of this still relies on the distinction based on physical differences.

Just because a man has bits dangling between his legs and women don't does not mean that all of the people with dangly bits will think and act in the same way. Nor does it mean that all the people without those bits flopping around will think and act in the same way.
(Forgive my use of "dangling" and "flopping" - it is not meant to be derogatory but is merely an attempt at humour.)

Basically, what I'm pointing out is that everything you are saying seems to be based on the belief that gender is split into neat and pretty dualistic categories.

I disagree, just as (I'm guessing) you would disagree that all multiples fit into neat categories.

You are right. It is unfair. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop fighting it.

:)
--Drizz

[pengke.livejournal.com]

Don't mind him. Sometimes guys in female bodies fixate on crap like this. I think it's probably overcompensation for their lack of penis.

[duathir.livejournal.com]

It is hardly a secret that the body which I share is female; I had assumed that everyone who reads this community knew it already. If misplaced_ice did not know it, it is because she has not been paying close attention in this debate.

It is common for people in this culture - both male and female - to fixate on penises, since they have no way to tell men from women save by looking between the legs. This is not true in all cultures. Yes, I would prefer to have a male body, but if I did, I would still choose to be celibate, so my possession or lack of a penis is moot.

[duathir.livejournal.com]

"And its not for you to say what is the duty of men, anymore than it is not for me to say what is the duty of women."

No? Has no person then the right to say what the duty of another is? If this is so, then the concept of "duty" is meaningless. In truth, I have noted that most people in this culture seem to find little meaning in it.

"You are assuming that all men hold the same opinion."

No. I am stating my own opinion. If other men disagree with me, they are free to disagree. If all men, or a majority of men, disagreed with me, then women would no longer be defended by them. Since that is clearly not the case, it is plain that the majority of men do not in fact disagree.

"Is there a "male urge" to defend women?"

Yes. Read history.