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Have any of you ever formed pathways into another person's mind? We talk to two people every single day on the phone-they're multiple as well-and thus our others and soulbonds freely travel between minds...just wondering.
-Mary of the Black Sunflower Collection (which is...nearly/at least 60 O.o)

Date: 2009-10-31 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dissociative.livejournal.com
Yes, we have in the past with 2 or 3 other systems. However, for us it ended up doing more harm than good. We were sort of coerced into doing it in the first place which didnt help anything Im sure. I know everyone and every system is different so Im not saying its wrong for you guys. Just that for us its one thing we wont ever do again. It was just too damaging in the end.

Date: 2009-10-31 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] netdancer.livejournal.com
Netdancer and Ebonhost are so woven together that it can be hard to tell where one ends and the other begins. Inner worlds connect, we cross back and forth easily. We have been partners for about seven years now.

There are dangers of course. Emotion can flow between us too, which can be hard if one of us is hurt or distressed. And it would be catostrophic and destructive if we were torn apart.

Date: 2009-10-31 05:35 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-10-31 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gavinfox.livejournal.com
Uhm, I have a question regarding this...

Are you able to, in a kinda roundabout way, send telepathic messages this way? Or memories? Or mostly just personality/emotions?

Date: 2009-10-31 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
Certainly. We have visited other people's worlds and welcomed them to ours. And a lot of times we can see what other people are showing us even if we don't step across into their world.

Like [livejournal.com profile] ducklingpark says, it has caused trouble for us in the past, with people who thought they could take advantage of us by it, and so forth. But we're not against it, we just try to be careful.

Date: 2009-10-31 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] personasystem.livejournal.com
It's a theoretical possibility with our system, but we don't allow outsiders. My boyfriend has tried to come through and visit us a few times, but apparently we're well hidden and closed off.

I don't think it's uncommon for multiple systems in close proximity to share the same mental space to some extent.

-Zax (man, Seph's trying to steal my comments!)
Edited Date: 2009-10-31 07:46 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-10-31 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercury42.livejournal.com
We haven't, but have heard of others who have. It wouldn't surprise me if people close to each other can get some sort of "psychic" connection, multiple or singlet.

Date: 2009-10-31 01:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] light-ftw.livejournal.com
Well, happened. We're just getting more careful about things as we're getting more experiences.

It could get pretty messy, organization-wise and emotions-managing wise, so we're not allowing visitors if not feeling stable as a collective enough at that time/not having fronting team strong enough to handle eventual more backspace-d moves. But that's, I think, the same rule of thumb we have for visitors from worlds that are linked to our system, not pertaining only to 'here place' plural groups.

Date: 2009-10-31 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kaimialana.livejournal.com
We've heard of traveling before.

Not quite sure what to make of it, or to believe its real.


Date: 2009-10-31 02:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
We currently do it with other systems.

Our scientists had a hard-enough time accepting Cross-Time travel and Metanormals. The idea of this particular form of Cross-Time travel would make many of them completely disbelieve it even when talking about it in earshot of one of the very people that's from that kind of thing (as happened with SPC^Craimar one time, when two scientists were talking in Utawali around him and he didn't quite get what they were saying, namely that people from multiple systems aren't even real and hence can't travel. At the same time as a member of the SPC is standing not too far from them).


A question.

Date: 2009-11-01 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddie2431.livejournal.com
Seeing as how you seem to have something like soul-bonds with a couple of widely known historical figures (if I'm not mistaken - please forgive me if I am), does this facilitate visiting other systems ?
As in, if the more famous (or infamous - whatever) "bonds" show up, are they more easily recognizable.....or something ?

I'm not quite sure how to word what I'm asking, I guess. I'm just curious.

- Freddie.

Re: A question.

Date: 2009-11-01 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Actually, no they aren't. If they were from our own novels maybe, if the person involved happens to recognize them. We can have evil bastards from human fiction running rampant and nobody recognizes them because the culture here does not correspond with Earth. That, in fact, was how we had an omnicidal maniac like Sukteh the Destroyer wandering around and absolutely nobody knew who he was.


And then he pissed off Revcekar and got blown to atoms. Basically, if the soulbond comes from human fiction, most of the time the answer is no. We have no real reason to know in-depth the fiction of this timeline. Which sometimes, I'll admit, puts us in a bit of a spot of trouble but no more than that.


Date: 2009-10-31 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] menthe-no9.livejournal.com
I hate to be one of *those* people, but is that a water tribe icon??? o.O

yay for otter penguins!

Date: 2009-11-01 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] menthe-no9.livejournal.com
Haha... Sorry about that. I watched B1-3 in a week and a half (for the first time, with my GF who is also fragmented tho she has DID) and it's all like, "AVATAR! OH SNAP!!!"

Date: 2009-10-31 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stars-and-tea.livejournal.com
No, and most of us are pretty terrified of the possibility. Hell, just paranoia convincing us we're thought broadcasting is enough to mess with us. Plus 'visiting other systems' sounds too much like 'possession' to those who are phobic of it.

I personally don't think it's possible; my twin says he'll believe it when he reads a peer reviewed study in a reputable publication.

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Date: 2009-10-31 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stars-and-tea.livejournal.com
Same here ._. There's now a wall around the perimeter just in case. It makes the kids feel safer.

Wall around the perimeter.

Date: 2009-11-01 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddie2431.livejournal.com
We have one of those!

We don't want anyone coming in, who is not invited.

We also have armed guards in towers, in case someone tries to fly in....but we haven't had to use those since we were in therapy.

Oh well, that's neither here nor there. It was just nice to hear we're not the only ones with a privacy wall like that.

- Freddie.

Re: Wall around the perimeter.

Date: 2009-11-01 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
Laura doesn't look shielded at all but it is. You come with the wrong intentions, you can't get close. Iris fixed this up years ago.

Re: Wall around the perimeter.

Date: 2009-11-01 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
We have a couple of really nice things to shield our empire. First, we have the Sisters Four who each command power enough to make all of them low-grade gods at present, then we have the Imperial Military armed with weapons enough that one Imperial is worth about the entire August Storm army, and we have 10 trillion Imperials, including humans, in our army which is a lot of cannon fodder, and we also have the advantage that our reality doesn't permit you to leave for Rigel on Monday and get there on Tuesday (well, it does for one society, but still....).

The few times we've recently had hostile incursions, the response has been "Hey you!" and the idiots in question look up, *plasma rifles fire* and the idiots in question are charred, smoking bones. We tend to take this rather seriously, as we welcome people across the Multiverse, but if someone wants to be Alaric they're going to be massacred.


Date: 2009-10-31 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Technically if there was any power already monitoring it, there's no guarantee thought-broadcasting works like radio broadcasting. The only way to shut that down is either clinical death or a coma. If the analogy holds, I'm just sayin'. Radio waves can be scrambled. How do you shut down alpha-gamma-theta waves from cells sending signals?


Date: 2009-11-03 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
We always thought you could scramble your mental transmissions -- sort of like what people had to do in It's a Good Life. Like, to think of a nursery rhyme or something. Imagine a wall around yourself and keep your emotions as neutral as possible.

The way the radio in our head plays nonstop all they're gonna get is Bruce Springsteen's greatest hits anyhow if they did try to listen in. It's our personal tinfoil hat.

Date: 2009-11-01 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pengke.livejournal.com
You could do a community study for fun. Have the two parties that are claiming that there's travel between their systems send their e-mails to a third party community member. The third party member e-mails System A the title, author, and plot summary of a book. System A travels to System B and shares the information about the book. (This, of course, is the weak part of the 'study' as it depends on Systems A & B being moral, honest people and not cheating to pass the information.) System B e-mails the third party member with the details that they learned while traveling. After enough time for all participating travelers to communicate the information and contact their third party, the third parties then post the information sent and the information received so that the whole community can see the results.

Third party.

Date: 2009-11-01 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddie2431.livejournal.com
We have a feeling a third party's own inner world might corrupt any communication. Whether that third party be multi, or singlet.

But maybe we're wrong there, I don't know.
- Freddie.

Re: Third party.

Date: 2009-11-01 03:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pengke.livejournal.com
The third party would only send and receive the e-mails. It's a modified version of one of those ESP tests where the subject was supposed to project the image on the Zenner card that the tester showed them to another subject in a separate room. The third party is the tester.

Unless you're trying to argue that the third party's (presumable) non-believer vibes will infect the astral travelers?

Re: Third party.

Date: 2009-11-01 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddie2431.livejournal.com
Oh no, I'm not trying to argue anything!

Only thinking, from my own personal experience. (And not at all about the e-mail angle of it....)

If this had been me, as a member of this system - and let's say I had a friend "John", who showed up in the system we used to know.
John and I might very well visit back and forth.

But this is where the trouble would have started:

In this system, there would be some things John would be more inhibited about than normal, and some things he would have been more drawn to than normal. Simply from being in here. I'd never thought much about this before.....but I guess just as we were created in here or drawn to this place, so are we influenced by it.
I, on the other hand, might behave differently in the other system, than I would behave here. I would still be me....just, there would be different influences affecting me.
And then when I returned here, I would remember none...or at best very little....of my visit to the other system. I would have to be told about it. It would feel as if I had visited there in a drunken black-out, but without the alcohol.
This is an experience my fellow insider Alex has had many times, and often to no good end.
This was what I was referring to.....if that makes any sense.

Of course....that's only us, in here. For others, it might be completely different.
Also, the designated host(esses) of these two visiting systems, often didn't like each other much. I think that in itself created some problems.

- Freddie.

Date: 2009-11-02 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ethernauts.livejournal.com
I'd love to see anyone who experiences inter-system travel volunteer for this.

Date: 2009-11-03 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
We did a modified version of it once and it came out phhhfft. But considering the circumstances under which we did it I'd say we deserve another shot.

Date: 2009-11-02 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mercury42.livejournal.com
A better, but much less feasible, way would be if you could get all 3 bodies in the same location and make sure that A and B can't communicate through normal means (put them in two separate rooms with no electronic devices or something).

I'd like to see the results of this study as well, if it ever happens.

Date: 2009-10-31 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tej-agni.livejournal.com
We were very isolated for many years. But we visit our partner group and they visit us all the time now. :) We created a bridge between our 2 groups and can move back and forth between the near front of each body and visit the worlds and homes away from the front. Of course living together helps with this as well.

I know not every group can visit one another and some assume that it's a natural part of being plural. It's not. It's easy for some and impossible for others. I find that knowing the other people very well or even having their worlds or homes described to you in great detail can help. Also if an individual has difficulty with that mode of travel a more experienced person can perhaps take them around with them. Good luck! Hugs. -Kalli


Date: 2009-10-31 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddie2431.livejournal.com
We've experienced this....and the main way that we formed a pathway, was to talk every day at length on the phone. We simply knew the people in the other 'system' so well, that they were welcome with us, and we were welcome with them.

It did cause problems, though. I think mostly, it was because whoever is in here, tries to make life as smooth as possible for our designated 'host'. And likewise, with the other system. However, these hosts and systems were living different external lives, and dealing with different things.
Also, our personal memories did not follow us back here, so we would have to be told what we did.
It was just a bit of a mess. We're glad it's not going on now, we felt stretched too thin. But it did happen.
- Freddie.

Date: 2009-10-31 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kindmemory.livejournal.com
Tyrell (pronounce TEER-ul, or just Ty) is an actor and freaked us out by once imitating very well someone from someone else's system. At first we thought it might be for real, but he fessed after a few days.

We feel like we have had visitors from outside, whether they are from another system or not. The scary ones do not announce themselves, and we are a bit freaked out about it. Hiro, our current gatekeeper, has a pretty good handle on things we think now. But Barry let in a female when he was gatekeeper, and we have no idea who she was talking to or what she was doing. We think she was a shrink. Very odd. Made it clear once we didn't think she was a good psychologist. Maybe wrong, but she can come back if we check her out and decide differently.

Years ago the kid next door had an invisible playmate, just called "Boy", who had maybe been showing up for years. Maybe talking to the kids in the system? Whether the kid was a multiple or not, we don't know.

We kind of think it's not possible, but you never know, to have crossovers, visitors from another system. We had one thing come over from my sis who I think is multiple, but it was more like trad. demon, not like a system member. We blocked the doors against it. It didn't talk or act human. We dont' think it originated with Sis, just was out there floating around.

Date: 2009-10-31 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
Wait-you didn't like it because it didn't talk or act human? Er.....there's a lot of people in the Empire who would be surprised at that. We're aliens, here we act human because we happen to be this convoluted projection-thing, but you meet us outside the Body, we're not at all Star Trek-style people with rubber pointy ears. We in fact are a bit more alien aliens. I mean, good God, I have a build that's scared the more naive humans.

When I'm here, I'm Xekru-as-human-body-sees-Xekru. Meet me in Shuhar IV, I ain't that, I'm rather a bit different what with the six eyes and brachiosaur-style longer forelimbs than hindlimbs and the middle arms with opposable thumbs and upper arm spikes laced with venom lethal enough to kill something the size of an elephant. This kind of statement weirds me out a little.


Date: 2009-10-31 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
That said, whatever works for your system works for it.


This is Kindmemory

Date: 2012-05-31 11:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oldruggedspork.livejournal.com
I never saw this. Blocking the doors was because it was more like a traditional demon, and was apparently causing trouble. We just thought it seeming human was a trick to get in. Still not sure about this crossover thing, as our system is so large everything gets weird, communication especially.

Date: 2009-10-31 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tej-agni.livejournal.com
there was this one girl who said she was multiple and had like 3 or 4 people with her. one time one of the people in her system claimed that she visited with us and like had this whole scenario about like a date and dinner and whatever. the person in our group was totally like "I was sleeping last night so I have no idea what you're talking about." because she was sleeping. the girl in the other system like flipped out and was like "omg I've been mind raped" or whatever and was having this issue about someone must've come and attacked her and gave her those images or whatever :/ I was like o.O huh? this was like 5 years ago.

Sharing soul bonds.

Date: 2009-11-01 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddie2431.livejournal.com
On further thinking about this....

Right now I'm thinking that when we were told we had visited another system, and we had no memory of doing so....plus we were told we did things that were very foreign to us....it might not have been so much traveling between systems, as sharing soul bonds.

Several times a woman in another system claimed that Alex had been with her overnight. The bodies we live in were in two different time zones, plus Alex had been awake and out front in here the whole time.
It was quite a mess, at that point. We felt like she was using us a scapegoat, and she felt like we were calling her a liar.

It was very messy stuff. - Freddie.

Re: Sharing soul bonds.

Date: 2009-11-01 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
I won't go into too much detail on this board, but oy vey the things that went on with those (singlet as far as we know) women at university. "I saw you in my dream" et al. "I was doing some ceremonial magick, and I sensed you were there...."

Oh Jay, last night we were trying to do this seance, and you showed up and tried to stop us.

Jay: Why on earth would I try to stop anybody from holding a seance??

And some real doozies with other multiples later. We could account for our exact whereabouts in the earth world and elsewhere, exactly like you said. And it wasn't soulbonds, because we didn't have any fronting at the time & never mentioned having any.

Re: Sharing soul bonds.

Date: 2009-11-01 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddie2431.livejournal.com
Could it be they had developed a bond-version (?) of you.....?

I don't know. I'm coming to understand that there is a lot I don't understand.

- Freddie.

Re: Sharing soul bonds.

Date: 2009-11-03 07:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
Possibly, but I think there was a bit more to it than that. There have definitely been times and situations where we'd be willing to believe that's exactly it.

Re: Sharing soul bonds.

Date: 2009-11-01 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
If this ever happens to us, and we know the person in question was right here, we're dropping a friendship with the idiot that tries to gaslight us. If we can't trust them with this, which is not something we bring up in Offline life and this happens there, bye-bye friendship.



Date: 2009-11-02 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddie2431.livejournal.com
On thinking more about this....
The way we came to share internal space with our (multi) cousin, was that originally, we created part of that space together. We used to hang on the phone for hours, and the two fronters would report to each other what they saw and heard the insiders doing, how the conversation was going, etc. Later, this developed into visiting each others' worlds, and talking about it later.
Only, there were no words for what we were doing back then. Had we been children, we might have called it playing.....except that the playing was very intense and ongoing. However, we were older than that, so we didn't call it anything. It also differed from play, in that it very much affected how we walked through the face-to-face world.
(The difference between play, and useful visualization.)

These days, I think therapists get into the heads of multi clients by instructing the multis to "creat your own personal inner house....only you have to follow these rules, and tell me all about it."

This is all quite an interesting subject. - Freddie.

Date: 2009-11-03 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sethrenn.livejournal.com
We kind of have a moratorium on any attempts to travel and visit for the time being, because of how it's been used to dick us over (and some close friends) in the past. Note that I'm not actually saying that I know for certain or have any definitive beliefs about what really was going on in every one of those cases (though there are some instances where I'm quite certain that other people's claims to us of "this person from your group visited our group!", complete with generic caricatured "reports" of what they were supposedly doing, were deliberate acts). It's just too difficult to verify, too easy to abuse, and too easy to use as a manipulation technique, to forcibly keep other systems emotionally tied to you.

And it's not that I regard every single system who tried or wanted to have frequent travel with us as being a jerk or a flake-- some of them we were/are close to, actually. We just had to draw a line in the sand after a certain point.

Migratory headmates

Date: 2012-05-15 05:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] este lore (from livejournal.com)
Our system has three members who are migratory or basically just permanently traveling between our system and two others with whom we feel a family connection. - Tegid System

Date: 2014-04-09 04:52 am (UTC)


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