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So the season premiere of Law & Order SVU features a multiple mother. At half time she's apparently having a crisis of dysfunctionality, and thus endangering her one-year-old baby. Trauma origin, violent guardian with an accent, amnesiac host, helpless little, stress-trigger switching, not to mention really offensive language from the cops. This is gonna be one of those scream-at-the-TV nights...

Johnny

Aaaaaaaaaaaa.

Date: 2007-09-26 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
May we reprint your summary (post and comment) in the Pavilion media review section (http://pavilion.karitas.net/library/library_media.html)?

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Date: 2007-09-26 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] forever-alone.livejournal.com
Goddamn, they really tried to use every cliche in the book, didn't they?

Date: 2007-09-26 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-suhina987.livejournal.com
Yeah, I normally love that show, but I have now officially retitled it Law & Order: FU.

Date: 2007-09-26 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ksol1460.livejournal.com
How about "Law & Order: P.U."? XD

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Date: 2007-09-26 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cold-ataraxy.livejournal.com
I didn't survive five minutes of that show before turning it off.

-Fox Edwards (who is too lazy to log in to her own account at the moment.)

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Date: 2007-09-26 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gryphons.livejournal.com
*growls* We were pretty much swearing from the opening minutes.. *sighs* but we watched it all for the same reason we tolerate people watching televangelist.. you have to know what your enemy is doing.. or in this case what people are being taught about you.. so you can argue against it.. show them they're wrong.
*sighs* is about all we can say.. and it really won't do any good to write about it.. cause well there's no such thing as bad publicity for network tv.. and they'll go, but" we weren't portraying a plural house, we were portraying someone faking being plural" sighs.. which in some ways is worse

Date: 2007-09-26 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onewaggingtail.livejournal.com
That can spread the impression that people are ALL faking it. Terrible impression to spread!

-Fox Edwards
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"But...portraying a fake plural!"

Date: 2008-08-05 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brandon2431.livejournal.com
Bet if they portrayed a fake gay/lesbian, they'd do a followup show, or end the g******ddam thing diffently!

Bullshit on them!

Fake Black ? Mexican ? Irish ?
Oh hell no!

(By the way, we're gay as a 'system', several gay inside people both male and female and one somewaht ambiguous re/gender.....and every last one of us is Irish. So yes, we're qualified to pull the gender/sexuality/ethnic card here.)

Bullshit on them again. Man, you could furtilize a *big* garden with that "but, but, b-b-but stuff" they've got people buffaloed with.
Oprah Winfrey, anyone....? She seems to be always looking for new social wrongs to set right....and *that* sh*******t, is *wrong*.

Date: 2007-09-26 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inmonopolus.livejournal.com
If this wasn't a laptop, I'd be headdesking so hard.

That is sad, stupid, stereotypical dross. I mean, honestly, that's not at all original or entertaining. How many times is the public going to lap up the same erroneous tripe? It's the same story rehashed a hundred times!

...And Drac wants to know why there's always an "evil" alter in these shows. And if he can qualify for "evil" and "slut" both or if The Rules say they have to be separate. ;3

Date: 2007-09-26 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sethrenn.livejournal.com
We had someone else once decide that someone in our group was both the evil one and the sexy one (no it wasn't me :p). They weren't actually either... but... well, heck, go ahead. Andy^Astraea always goes "I'm the magic fairy princess!" every time "types of alters" is brought up.

~Yushyu

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I'm the magic fairy princess!

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Date: 2007-09-26 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kyanve.livejournal.com
Kuja will gleefully claim being "the evil one".
...he went and mother-henned me into getting all my paperwork for this semester done early, triple-checking things didn't get messed up in the system, and sits in back giving me The Look whenever I just -think- about trying to put homework off or "I can deal with the office Some Other Day". Utterly -HORRIFIC- I tell
you. Malevolence incarnate! <.< >.>

(Thank Jekyll and Hyde becoming an archetypal story and the Standard Freudian Dichotomy of Id vs. Superego, I think, for the "evil alter" trope.)

-Birdy

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Date: 2007-09-26 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phen0type.livejournal.com
I'm absolutely tired of all those 'alter' stereotypes. I wonder how people in real systems who are characterized in a similar way feel. If I were labelled a particular type of 'alter' myself, I would be infuriated.

Richard
Fen Group

Date: 2007-09-26 07:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rhymer-713.livejournal.com
It's demeaning. I've been labeled the "Evil alter" or the "Protector" by people *in here when we didn't know better* and by singlets who we FELT were close enough to know the truth, and also by online people where we're very very very open. People say I'm evil because I speak my mind, because I don't take shit lying down and because *in two cases* because I have a deeper voice.
Wonder what they'd do if they knew the "Evil bitch" "alter" was sitting in on English class and taking notes and shit. Oh yeah. :-D I will kill with the Braillenote of doom. :-P
But I think you know what I'm trying to say.
Alissa

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Date: 2007-09-26 09:45 pm (UTC)
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I'm a teen, and today I asked one of my older friends if I was anything like that teen alter on the show. I'm kind of flirty but agh. It so ticked me off.

I'd never wear my hair in pigtails.

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stereotyping 'alters'.....

Date: 2008-08-05 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brandon2431.livejournal.com
On the lighter side, it can be downright funny to watch how therapists try to wrap their heads around it when an 'alter' doesn't behave in the prescribed way. Man, that sh***t can be so hysterical.....

Date: 2007-09-26 05:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aimeepatricia.livejournal.com
This is why we have cable, so we can ignore network TV. :)

Date: 2007-09-26 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redrainstorm.livejournal.com
I watched it just to see how it would end. We knew it'd be the typical "psycho multiple" bit. But it ended just like that movie Primal Fear. My therapist had us tape it so we could watch it together because she was going to be missing it. But due to how it ended I don't think she'd care to watch it. She is equally unhappy with how MPD (or schizophrenia, or PTSD, or PPD... all are stereotyped and over exaggerated and usually far from the truth)is portrayed in the media as we are, which is nice.

Date: 2007-09-26 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] worldofcharlie.livejournal.com
Primal Fear didn't seem believable to me (I've watched it) -- that had a lot of dramatic loopholes you can drive a mac truck through (Carrie was a screenwriting major in college).

I have very low expectations of how much respect media has towards the topic in general.

Date: 2007-09-26 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] underlankers.livejournal.com
We watched it last night. Our Bourgnon was skeptical, saying to me that even at its best, this episode would be a nutcase killer multiple. Bourgnon then gave another one of his cynical moments by saying she'd be a fake. That was before it even started. Then, when *I* watched it, I saw that it was seeming to be a blantant rip-off of various plural books I'd heard my Others had read. I watched it, and about the time she had the crazy moment in the trial, Bourgnon said "Wait for it..."

I did. Bourgnon watched co-present with me, and then Bourgnon said, "Dammit. I'm right." Bourgnon watched as it was revealed that she had read a series of articles on multiplicity and responsibility. After it was over, for about ten or so minutes, we discussed how *we'd* react to any such criminal acts done by members of *our* system were any ever to be done.

Bourgnon said "No contest. One of us commits a crime, we all go to jail."
I responded with a few questions about such an idea, and each time, Bourgnon said, "No. Jail or nothing." Bourgnon and Allen and Viktor then agreed mutually such a defense would be demeaning to our system. Why put *ourselves* on parade just to get this sort of response? >.>

Law And Order SVU

Date: 2007-09-26 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] susanacts.livejournal.com
I wanted to scream, but didn't. I think everyone was over dramatic, and the whole show didn't give a realistic perspective of one with DID. The scene that got me most, two actually, were the knife at the cops house, and the dead parents. What the...?

The scenes didn't fit. One minute, it's about the baby. And the next, the parents and the cops wife.

Being a multiple myself, I switch, but I don't feel like that was even portrayed accurately. Some of us may be psycho as the show said, but some of us are common folk trying to make it through another day. I am the latter.

Suz (the body of The Posse)

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Date: 2007-09-26 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inmonopolus.livejournal.com
Some of us may be psycho as the show said, but some of us are common folk trying to make it through another day.

Well said.

And personally, you can trap me in an elevator with any randomly chosen multiple in the world, and I'd vastly prefer it to, say, being trapped in an elevator with the singleton Jeffery Dahmer..

The lack of understanding--and common sense, to demand that shows like this portray their characters accurately--that people have sometimes is just tragic.

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Date: 2007-09-26 07:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heyyy-sunshine.livejournal.com
Yeah.. us and the boyfriend watched it last night and even he was like "That's bullshit."

Blah

Date: 2007-10-06 08:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] waznsky.livejournal.com
There are so many multiples, and yet it's so hard to find an accurate portrayal of what "normal" (sorry for using that word) multiples are like. I wonder how come there are still people in the world who can believe than the personality of humans is flat enough to look like that if they "split" or anything else. Even if we were only parts to a whole, it'd just be impossible to just divide into "the angry one", "the sad little kid", etc.

I guess we'll have to wait till singletons are bored of watching boring "dark twin-good twin" on TV...

Date: 2010-03-26 10:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tael-n.livejournal.com
Blah! We were the same way with the text in our psychology book in class! A lot of awful definitions for Multiples, hell they even threw in a picture of the ever-so-popular Sybil. The editors think it's a bunch of pretending and it's always trauma based. Yeah I was quiet about it during class but after I threw the damned thing across my bedroom cursing wildly. I was not a happy camper.

-Zeke + Bits of Viktor

o.o They kinda summed it up, I got nothin' to say...Hi Jake!
-Tael

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